New 5DII footage ....and some thoughts about Scarlet

jaybirch said:
I would argue that internet viewers are probably more important than tv viewers. They have actively found your content rather than being fed it by a tv station.
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i think that's pretty much what i said and for the same reason you can't compare it to theatrical, which was my point. i didn't mean that i didn't want internet viewers, it's just that the numbers mean even less than for other forms of distribution, the strength is in who you can reach and why. tv is better for numbers. the internet is better for targeting. theaters are better for "audience immersion" for lack of a better term.

/matt
 
bronxjragon said:
i think its crazy that it got 19k+ hits because the search for that vimeo video is so specific, so it means mass amounts of ppl have been looking for mkII footage
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I think alot of that probably came from DPR. It's a pretty heavily trafficked site. That link was also posted there.
 
I'm not sure I really follow you then Matt, the internet can be both more popular and more content driven than tv ever has been... due to it's international reach and social networking.

anyway, i'm going off topic.

Right now, there are huge hits for Canon 5D II content as everyone is eager to see what is coming and whether it is worth buying... just like when the first d90 footage started to trickle out.

that Vincent Larofet (?) guy was smart enough to see this would happen and got around 1.5 million+ views from his footage. His blog shot through the roof with the release of that footage.... amazing really.
 
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jaybirch said:
I'm not sure I really follow you then Matt, the internet can be both more popular
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when something becomes popular on the internet it becomes popular for basically the same reason that tv is popular. people aren't necessarily going to care more because they clicked a link, more likely less. if you get 19,000 views online it's not cool because it's a lot of people, it's cool because they were looking for your stuff especially. if you get 10,000 theatrical views on your indie feature that's also cool for basically the same reason. if you get 10,000,000 viewers on tv that's cool because *that's* a lot of people, a lot more than 19,000. :-)

/matt
 
IMHO, I would rather talk to the right 10,000 people who care, than the wrong 1,000,000 people who don't care. Many companies today are realizing this. On the other hand, Canon is looking very promising, but until then, I am enjoying my D90.
 
it needs to be placed in context though, 10million people are obvisouly not gonna watch a demo of the canon 5d II... no matter what.

A very well made short film has the chance of taking the internet by storm and getting 10,000,000 views.... it's probably more likely these days than a network picking it up.

Anyway, however you get your footage seen, it's all good.... tv,v.o.d, internet etc will all converge soon enough which will lead to more quality content.
 
jaybirch said:
A very well made short film has the chance of taking the internet by storm and getting 10,000,000 views.... it's probably more likely these days than a network picking it up.
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I know you're trying to make a point, but 10,000,000 views is extremely exagerrating. The chance of any viral video or youtube video hitting that is not realistic.
 
the more tv like the internet becomes the more tv like its audience behaves too. tv is a fantastic mass medium and i maintain the position that the difference is that the internet excels in finding the people who "care", if you will, rather than huge numbers. i'm pretty sure it's not much easier to reach 10,000,000 viewers online than on tv, in fact i think it's much harder. and again, who could ever care more than somebody who goes to see an art house indie in the theater. why did you let that part of the discussion go?

/matt
 
Because there is nothing to debate at all there.... if you are filmaker, you want to see your films playing on the big screen in front of film entusiasts.

This is prehaps where the difference lies between tv and the net though. From a film makers stance.... Say you post a nice teaser on a website and that becomes more popular through various links, blogs and social networks... maybe you generate a buzz of a million people.... then if the film is shown in their local area, that could create more seats being sold in theatres, which in turn will make your film more sucessful and noticed within the film industry. That's definatly more likely than getting a tv station to show a teaser for an indie movie.

It seems to be working for the music industry (good artists are being found on myspace etc getting a huge fanbase and then getting big contracts) this most be happening, to an extent, in all creative industries.

Also, I dont think the internet will become more tv like.... it has to be the other way around, by which, I mean searchable content, that plays when you want it.... not just playing show after show when the TV company decides.... If you wanna watch the latest simpsons... you will just stream it whenever you are ready.. not at 6pm on a saturday.

This is the way it will go (I speak with many people that are in the future trends business for the internet and how it will progress)..... and it is a great step. The poor productions will start dropping ratings quickly and we would start seeing more content that people actually wanna see.
 
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jaybirch said:
Because there is nothing to debate at all there...
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obviously there is since a few people expressed a different opinion as well as judged both theatrical views and internet views on the sheer numbers, a mistake in my opinion. both are more interesting mediums than tv if you want to reach an intended audience, yet tv has more viewers, go figure.

I speak with many people that are in the future trends business for the internet and how it will progress
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you haven't spoken to me. while i'm not that much into that stuff anymore i've actually written several books about internet culture and technology and i'm still pretty interested in keeping up to date on the layman's level. i'm not bragging, just wanted to mention it so you don't try to impress me again. :-)

seriously, people have been talking about interactive tv and the superiority of the internet paradigm since 1991 when i started researching online media, and while tv has certainly become more interactive the web, especially the successfull mass market stuff, has *definitely* become more tv like and is viewed in a more tv like way. video on demand and being able to watch simpsons in the middle of the night may seem like it's closer to the internet, but if you think about it that's not necessarily the case. it's just technology enabling something that we've wanted since vhs, and when vhs came that probably enabled an even older need. the internet on the other hand, marks a paradigm shift, and i'm not trying to sound like negroponte circa 1995... ;-)

/matt
 
Music Industry, already shut out Indie Music, The Film industry has shut out Indie Films. Indie Productions (Music, Film, TV) no longer survive through the major distribution system. Can we all agree that we are at a crossroads and that it is time to build a new business model?

=]
 
jaybirch said:
Also, I dont think the internet will become more tv like.... it has to be the other way around, by which, I mean searchable content, that plays when you want it.... not just playing show after show when the TV company decides.... If you wanna watch the latest simpsons... you will just stream it whenever you are ready.. not at 6pm on a saturday.

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I think that's basically already here. It's called Tivo. I've got such a back log on my HD recorder, the networks no longer dictate when I watch anything. I stream it off Tivo at my convenience. I'm thinking this has got to destroy the medium of TV at some point. What advertiser would pay to place ads in a program that can be skipped by the viewer with the 30 second skip function.

Networks are already discussing turning more prime time over to affiliates. They're at the breaking point as well as CD sales are dropping off the cliff in the music industry.

The way people are consuming media is changing. For that matter, the whole country is going to change how it does alot of things this year. Enjoy this Thanksgiving, the USA could be a very different place by next Thanksgiving.
 
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