I have EX1 vs HMC150 vs A1 footage
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PerroneFord
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They all look lovely.
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try vimeo
PerroneFord
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It would also help if you weren't shooting interlaced.
PerroneFord
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Well, we all know the EXx is sharper than the HMC. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. However, I would ask if you spent any time adjusting the colors on the Sony cameras. They do not come out of the box with "correct" colors. There are numerous threads that offer information on how to get the camera color neutral, and set it up for work.
It seems that whenever I see these comparison tests it's "out of the box" look. And the Panasonic's come from the factory with a lovely look to them. No doubt about it. The EXx cameras are increadibly tweakable though and I'd wager could match the color rendition of the Panasonics with a bit of effort. They won't match the "look" of the Panasonic though for various reasons.
It seems that whenever I see these comparison tests it's "out of the box" look. And the Panasonic's come from the factory with a lovely look to them. No doubt about it. The EXx cameras are increadibly tweakable though and I'd wager could match the color rendition of the Panasonics with a bit of effort. They won't match the "look" of the Panasonic though for various reasons.
all stock. all full auto. no manipulation.
PerroneFord
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What are you trying to show with your comparison? Perhaps I misunderstand your purpose.
Certainly, when I go to a shoot, I spend a lot of time setting up my camera, my audio, my lighting, etc. I don't think I've ever walked onto a shoot, not touched a thing and said, "let's record!"
Perhaps others might take a camera out of the box, set it on auto everything, and shoot with it. I don't consider that very professional, but that's just me. Thus, when I see a camera test, for it to be meaningful to me, I'd want it adjusted like I was going to use it.
Showing still photos on DVXUser of cameras recording 60i isn't really going to be very helpful to anyone at this level.
Certainly, when I go to a shoot, I spend a lot of time setting up my camera, my audio, my lighting, etc. I don't think I've ever walked onto a shoot, not touched a thing and said, "let's record!"
Perhaps others might take a camera out of the box, set it on auto everything, and shoot with it. I don't consider that very professional, but that's just me. Thus, when I see a camera test, for it to be meaningful to me, I'd want it adjusted like I was going to use it.
Showing still photos on DVXUser of cameras recording 60i isn't really going to be very helpful to anyone at this level.
A comparison of each camera completely tweaked by a pro with extensive experience on the particular camera s/he was controlling would be very informative. My intention in doing the comparison in this fashion was to eliminate the human variable. I did not want any differences in the images to be attributable to me. In this case, all differences are a result of the camera itself. Please consider the conditions of this comparison ( all stock all auto) when analyzing the footage.
Since we will be shooting primarily in 1080i, I did my comparison in that mode. My original intention was to find someone to host video files, not to post still images. However, images were requested and I complied.
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PerroneFord
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Fair enough.
The issue of course, is that shooting interlaced and then hosting on a computer is going to look ugly. Interlaced footage on an interlaced medium like TV is just fine. Progressive works fine in either place.
PerroneFord
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Ok, I see where you're going. Unfortunately, we make art. And the skill of the operator is a crucial factor in making that art.
I have a substantial knowledge and experience bias that would favor one of these cameras and so I tried to eliminate it. While the "skill of the operator is a crucial factor," this test was set up to compare cameras not operator skill or knowledge. I believe a tweaked vs. tweaked vs. tweaked comparison would be quite valuable. I would love to see a footage comparison of the EX3 controlled by the world's best EX3 op vs. an HMC150 controlled by the world's best HMC150 op vs... However, this is not that sort of a comparison and I went back and made a large note of this on the first post. I apologize for any confusion.
777
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Cool man, I wasn't trying to bust your chops. I was just trying to get an understand for why someone would do a test the way you've done it. But your explanation makes perfect sense.
They are all very tweakable, almost to a fault. It took me a week to get the A1 to match the HMC150 and they still didn't meet at the point I wanted. Xt777, I can see why you would not try any scene file settings on all three.
Also, I have not come up with or seen any optimal scene files for the HMC150 just yet, it's a little too new.
Peronne, a jpg screen capture using most NLEs will look exactly the same no matter if the original file is progressive or interlaced. The NLEs automatically capture a full image. The jpg is then just a static image.
