5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

dual said:
You should really check out Zeiss. The Contax models can be attached to a Canon camera with a simple and cheap adapter from ebay. A good, used lens, costs between 100 € and 1400 €. There are some that go 2.8f, are cheap, but of such good quality you can shoot wide open and they will be sharp into all corners. You don't need the ones beyond 1000 to get amazing images. I just bought 2 for 100 € that have amazing quality.
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Zeiss is just a brand-name at this point in regards to the SLR-market, the vast majority of the Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina in Japan. Granted, Cosinia is a great manufacterer. They are built to Zeiss specifications and licensed out to third-parties, such as Sony and recently Nokia for their camera-phones.

The reality is, modern dSLR lenses, with their nano-crystal coating and fancy modern 21st century technology and design do provide images equivalent, if not superior, then the older Zeiss designs, especially in areas like CA, for a lower price.

Here's an example (comparison of the highly regarded Distagon 18mm/3.5)
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/distagon-18mm.shtml

For a Canon system, if shooting manual, adapters aren't an issue, and you don't want to use any Canon lenses. Then there are still a ton of choices. You can even get an M/R-mount adapter to stick a Leica lens or even Hasselblad C/CF-mount on your Canon if price isn't an issue. Regardless, these days modern dSLR lenses are incredibly well-made and produce very high-quality images regardless of the brand.

Here are some Canon adapters (The EF-mount has a large mount diameter so are compatible with a lot of adapters):
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/204897999/Contax_Yashica_C_Y_to_Leica.html
 
Steve Castle said:
Zeiss is just a brand-name at this point … modern dSLR lenses … provide images equivalent, if not superior … For a Canon system, if shooting manual, adapters aren't an issue, and you don't want to use any Canon lenses. Then there are still a ton of choices.
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Thanks, Steve. My lens requirements for shooting HD video with the 5D2 are exactly two: high quality & manual everything. I have nothing again Canon lenses—or any brand—if they meet those criteria on the 5D2 body.

Steve Castle said:
Here are some Canon adapters
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That's great—very useful.
 
Hi Steve,
I disagree with several things you say.
In my opinion theres more to a lens than technology. No offense, i think what you say is wrong. Ask a professional dp.
 
So what, Canon's L lenses are good enough to attach to a 21 megapixel sensor, but they won't do for 1080p? Plu-hease. Think about that for a second.
 
dcloud said:
sheesh enough with the exposure thing already.
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the point is, not having control over the iso, shutter and aperture is like giving the camera to an intern, having them set it without your input or any knowledge of what's being shot other than you need x amount of light to hit the sensor and what they give you is what you want to shoot. need a shallow depth of field? you might get it, or it may be deep focus. don't want the shutter at 1/30 - not for you to decide. it's a gamble and allows no artistic control over what you're shooting. THAT's the point everyone's trying to make. yes, you can lock the settings, but you can't set the settings in the first place.

rolling shutter seems WAY reduced in comparison to the D90 in that clip. some skew, but not much jello.

damn. i'm torn.
 
So if you point the camera at a dark region. And lock it. Then you check shutter. If the shutter is not 1/60 then you try again.
Essentially you try until you can lock it at 1/60.
Once you lock it, it stays locked..
A bit of trial and error but it can be done.. Just play around until you get it right. If the light increases i.e. the sun comes out from behind the clouds then you get more blown out areas..
But you get 30 fps and 1/60 shutter..
Does this make sense ?
 
It'll be the same thing I outlined for the d90, pretty much. That's my bet.

Still, wish there were manual functions. =T Amongst other things.
 
zcream said:
So if you point the camera at a dark region. And lock it. Then you check shutter. If the shutter is not 1/60 then you try again.
Essentially you try until you can lock it at 1/60.
Once you lock it, it stays locked..
A bit of trial and error but it can be done.. Just play around until you get it right. If the light increases i.e. the sun comes out from behind the clouds then you get more blown out areas..
But you get 30 fps and 1/60 shutter..
Does this make sense ?
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Not that simple.. shutter is only one variable to the equation.

What if you want to shoot at small aperture and slow shutter? When you point the camera at a dark region, the auto exp will probably open the aperture and/or increase the ISO and maybe decrease the shutter as well.. how do you know? keep trying until you get it? Who has time to phuck around with it until it arrives at the settings you want? This thing is horribly crippled on purpose, and no pro who requires absolute consistency of image settings will use it.
 
i just can't believe they'd cripple it so badly as to make it unusable. this is a dslr that shoots 30fps. their target isn't filmmakers, it's the wedding photogs and pj's. these are people intimate with the various manual controls. take those away from a feature they already aren't thrilled about and it's flat out unusable. maybe sony or panasonic will get it right.
 
Hopefully this clears things up for alot of people. The D5 MKII has as much control as I need it to have.

Okay, I asked Vincent Laforet this:

Q: Vincent, You were a little vague on how exposure is controlled.
Can you choose the aperture in aperture priority mode and then go into movie mode and have it be applied there?

Also can you choose the ISO and have it be applied to movie mode.
thanks!


A: [from Vincent Laforet]

-JRW - you can shoot in program mode - camera decides both

-you can shoot in Aperture priority - you set the Aperture and the camera chooses between 1/125th of a second or 1/60th of a second - and then it’s main control is the ISO

-you can shoot in shutter priority mode- set the shutter speed ( I think only 1′/60th and 1/125th of a second would be option here) and the camera sets the aperture and ISO for you…

In the last two options - at any point you can override the meter - and EV correct the exposure - I believe two stops up or down… once you have a setting you like - you can press the “*” button and the exposure is locked in.

At any point - you can open or close down the camera by rotating the back dial - AS YOU SHOOT…
The point is: there is no manual exposure mode - so you can lock everything down… you CAN lock it down - with the “*” button however - it’s just not as direct and a bit more of a workaround.
You should know that I immediately set my AF to back button autofocus - using the “*” button - and therefore eliminated my “exposure lock” button… and in only one of the shots of the movie was exposure ever an issue… therefore - locking down exposure did not prove a critical as I had assumed…
Does that help?
 
How long do you think it'll be on back order? And what are the chances of grabbin' one of the firsts out? And, when's the release date again?
 
Kholi said:
How long do you think it'll be on back order? And what are the chances of grabbin' one of the firsts out? And, when's the release date again?
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I think it ships in November. Places like camulet or B&H are probably going to have the longest back order problems in my estimation. Every camera store that sells Canon no matter how small has a rep that will service it and will get at least one shot out to them from their rep. These stores in these small rural areas will probably not have that much interest in such an expensive camera at least from my experience. Much easier to snatch one up from one of those small stores.

you thinking of finally getting a 5D MKII??
 
I'm thinkin' of grabbin' one to test out (non scientifically) for the community and probably do the same thing I did for the d90.

Also want to try out some 24p conversion stuff.
 
Kholi said:
I'm thinkin' of grabbin' one to test out (non scientifically) for the community and probably do the same thing I did for the d90.

Also want to try out some 24p conversion stuff.
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You do realize the bar has been raised, right? You'll need a helicopter. ;-)


Looking forward to it!
 
f64manray said:
… you CAN lock it down - with the “*” button however - it’s just not as direct and a bit more of a workaround.
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THANK YOU!!!
It seems to me that some people here and in other places like to talk some bs. And it's really annoying. Who does this guy from Canon,... Chuck? think he is?

Good work f64manray, I hope that clears this discussion once and for all.
Totally works for me. I know that ISO only turns on when the shutter goes below 1/30, and I control my aperture on the lens. So there will be full control like that.
 
Rubbersquare said:
i just can't believe they'd cripple it so badly as to make it unusable. this is a dslr that shoots 30fps. their target isn't filmmakers, it's the wedding photogs and pj's. these are people intimate with the various manual controls. take those away from a feature they already aren't thrilled about and it's flat out unusable. maybe sony or panasonic will get it right.
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PJ? no. the 5d was never a PJ camera. the 1d is.
PJs need other features than wedding or landscape photographers need.
as far as video is no PJ can wait for contrast focus to finish.

you can do a wedding with it or a planned shot but nothing "live".
 
f64manray said:
You do realize the bar has been raised, right? You'll need a helicopter. ;-)


Looking forward to it!
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LOL. I ain't gonna spend 3k on a Camera and then thousands more for some test footage.

I want to expose the real deal. :D Like how bad that rolling shutter is, how manual you can get, and all the other goodies.
 
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