5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

There are many contradicting answers indeed Rubbersquare. We'll wait, BUT not cancel our preorders ey. Maybe it's Nikon spreading false rumors over the web.

Cool to hear about the * buttons effects though.
I wouldn't mind AT ALL to hold a flashlight into the lens before every shot, if I get the 5Ds features in return.

But yes, of course I'd be mad every time I do it and have "f u Canon" written on that lilli red flashlight..
... and a picture of the evilish dwarf with a digic iv shirt on. hehehe.
 
Rubbersquare said:
he said you have control of aperture, that pressing the * button will lock the settings. "Therefore Aperture, ISO and shutter speed can all to easily be locked down…" - but i guess we'll have to wait, since there are so many contradicting answers to this.
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But he also said he shot the video in auto mode.. I've also asked Chuck Westfall directly of whether the aperture can be controlled by the user in the movie mode. He said it can not.
 
Car3o said:
This is the same problem people had about the exposure lock on the d90....just wait it out or you'll go crazy.
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But D90 allows you to select the aperture of your choosing before recording right? That is a significant difference because 5D does not allow you to do this.
 
dual said:
4. Use manual lenses.
On my Zeiss 50mm the lens is not electronically connected to the canon body, so the camera literally couldn't force the aperture.
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You've already named the solution to controlling aperture. Or am I missing something?

Are you saying that ISO will fluctuate (obey the camera's programming) even with a manual lens determining aperture?
 
Hi, this is my first post here as I am getting excited about the potential that this new development of DSLRs have. A dedicated photography enthusiast with 25 years of SLR and DSLR use (started with the D30), I admit that I am what someone described before as the "middle class vacation photographer/filmer" and get tired of lugging both my 30D and HV20 around so yes - the 5DII looks as it might fit my needs. Not having a long filming background, I care less about a filmic look at 24p and more about the picture quality, the potential to vary DOF and other practical issues like compatibility with my HD TV at home. Sorry therefore if I might ask a lot of stupid questions because of this limited experience.

I was at Photokina today, handled the 5DII for about 30 minutes and tried the "*" setting - it didn't lock down the settings at all. Maybe the function of the "*" button was disabled in the menues or set to some other function than AEL - I didn't remember to check that. We tried other things as setting the "Metering Timer" in the menue to high values - no change. The Canon guys said they tried since the beginning of Photokina to find a way to lock it, but without success. They have received no information from their developers wether it is supposed to work (according to Chuck Westphal and Vicne Laforet it is), wether it is available in all prerelease cameras or how it works. It would be interesting wether anyone has tested this successfully.
 
John Sandel said:
You've already named the solution to controlling aperture. Or am I missing something?

Are you saying that ISO will fluctuate (obey the camera's programming) even with a manual lens determining aperture?
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ISO and shutter are automatically determined in movie mode. You can lock it down but the settings are still initially determined by the camera.

using manual lenses is still a crappy solution because there are already so many great EF lenses including many with stabilization.
 
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But D90 allows you to select the aperture of your choosing before recording right? That is a significant difference because 5D does not allow you to do this.
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Yeah, but the 5D hasn't released yet so everything is speculation. We also thought we could adjust ISO and Shutter speed to, but were wrong. Only thing we kind of knew before hand is that the exposure could be locked. The aperture on electronic lens you have to trick, where as manual lens are much easier to work with.
 
Car3o said:
Yeah, but the 5D hasn't released yet so everything is speculation.
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I don't agree because I've gotten official word from Canon, hence I've canceled by pre-order. Rest of you is welcome to stay in line and I'm looking forward to your review.
 
OT: I sure am kind of pissed. Imagine Canon turning back to it's own EF lens sales giving a hand to Zeiss. If it would be so they really are gifted with limited vision to say. The Japanese.
Or wait, maybe the lens sales is not so profitable business in Canon's business scheme. Sure the $900 camcorders are thrown away for every 2 (wait, one) years, not same for a $900 L series EF lens - friggin consumerism driven market.

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booggerg2 said:
using manual lenses is still a crappy solution
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Talking about filmlook: No. Manual lenses are not a crappy solution.
The best Zeiss lenses are superior to any Canon L lenses.
Also, they have a stopping mechanism on either side of the focus and the focus ring turns more than a half twist. They are very similar to movie optics in terms of handling.
Also important they produce the colors, sharpness, contrast and fieldblur that feels like movielook.
Look out there, Zeiss primes are the way to go for every dof adapter.

That story by Larry Swing about the Canon people not getting their own cameras to do the locking makes me concerned.
Larry, if you get a chance to be at Photokina again maybe you want to try out to change some menu settings.

I fooled around with my 40D a little just now and this is what happens:
In the menu, in the custom functions tab (orange camera symbol) there is a submenu called "Operation/Others".
One option is called "Live view exposure simulation". When turned on live view lets you choose everything. The * button doesn't work then.
BUT when the setting is turned off (automode) and you're in manual mode on the jogwheel, the * button doesn't do a thing either.
AND when you turn the wheel to "P" mode, yes, then the magic * button really locks the settings down. You can't change them, but it will stay at whatever shutter you're on and leave the darks dark.
NOW, given the * lock is not engaged, I observed that shutter 30 really looks like 30 and 60 looks like 60. Once the shutter measurement goes below 30 the camera seems to crank up the iso, but it doesn't SHOW it on the display. I can liveview the lowest lowlight things like that, probably equivalent to iso 50000 or something.

So that's what you, or anybody who gets his hands on a 5D "prerelease model" (aha...) could do:
play around with the custom functions in the menu and jogwheel settings. Maybe they also affect moviemode.

But then again, maybe the 5D is redisigned there and all is different. well...
 
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dual said:
Talking about filmlook … Manual lenses are not a crappy solution.
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I have very little experience of Zeiss, but I'm confident using high-quality manual lenses are a step forward in filmmaking. My goal is to fool one of these DSLRs into giving me as much manual control as possible—hence Canon's auto lenses, while of stellar quality, are less interesting than others of similar quality … as long as they're manual.
 
dual said:
Larry, if you get a chance to be at Photokina again maybe you want to try out to change some menu settings.
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No sorry, no chance for that - off to Italy tomorrow:beer:

We did try a few menu functions, but it was pretty crammed with lots of people trying to get a glimpse and waiting to get their hands on it. The menu has changed a lot between 5D and my 30D and the new 5DII - maybe the "*" was just set to something else.

I was however astonished about how poorly the Canon guys appeared to be educated about the cameras new functions and woulnd't take their word as an official statement.
 
Rubbersquare said:
he said you have control of aperture, that pressing the * button will lock the settings. "Therefore Aperture, ISO and shutter speed can all to easily be locked down…" - but i guess we'll have to wait, since there are so many contradicting answers to this.
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Problem is that auto could be at fstop 2.0 at 1000asa with a shutter of 1/250th or what ever the auto stopped on before locking it. If you want to shoot for example at 1600asa at 2.8 with a 1/50th shutter it ain't gonna be possible with the 5d mark ll or any creative setting you need.

Canon appears to have dropped the ball on much here yet again. With such awesome detail, lowlight, DR and highlight handling it's a shame.

An analogy that is easily understandable. Canon for the most part always stops before the orgasm. They assume you should be proud of all priror to the point they go no further and stopped. However there is no payoff, no glee to enjoy. It's pathetic and unfortunate since Canon has always played this pathetic childish trickle the features game on their gear. They SUCK!


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John Sandel said:
I have very little experience of Zeiss, but I'm confident using high-quality manual lenses are a step forward in filmmaking. My goal is to fool one of these DSLRs into giving me as much manual control as possible—hence Canon's auto lenses, while of stellar quality, are less interesting than others of similar quality … as long as they're manual.
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You should really check out Zeiss. The Contax models can be attached to a Canon camera with a simple and cheap adapter from ebay. A good, used lens, costs between 100 € and 1400 €. There are some that go 2.8f, are cheap, but of such good quality you can shoot wide open and they will be sharp into all corners. You don't need the ones beyond 1000 to get amazing images. I just bought 2 for 100 € that have amazing quality.
 
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