The Sarlacc
Well-known member
I take it youre one of said knuckle heads.
Nikon D90 - Harbinger of the Future?
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I take it youre one of said knuckle heads.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
i'm one of those people, that probably drive you nuts, who are eager to see the so-called "professionalism" of filmmaking kicked squarely in the teeth. if i can produce and monetize an award-winning short with an HV20 that gets a distribution deal with a 90/10 split in my favor, i can make an equally compelling and financially successful feature-length motion picture with a D90. the technology ain't the thing man. it's the ideas that engage an audience.
The Sarlacc
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technology creates tools for the tool bag. The use of technology should fit the story.
That being said a pro level still camera is a still camera and should take stills. In the pro- arena its two worlds that shouldnt collide.
As for your wanting to kick the professionalism squarely in the teeth...You basically mean you want to make everything as cheap as possible, while over working, abusing, and WAY underpaying your crew, what little crew you think can get away with hiring, and at the end of the day assuming the film even does anything, walking away with all the credit and any profit made from a distribution deal. And then you want to go out and do it all again.
I'll stick with professionalism. Just because a movie might have a budget of 100k or less doesn't mean it cant be done RIGHT.
You are also taking my thoughts on a pro still camera shooting movies, and dragging it in an argument WAY off topic.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
presumptuousness is not an attractive quality. you're wrong about me and about what my company, Sabi Pictures, stands and strives for.
The Sarlacc
Well-known member
I guess I'm just an unattractive guy. Then again, I wouldn't necessarily find someone who tried to knock one's opinion right out of the gate as being very attractive either.
Nor do I find sociopathic/inferiority complexes (still haven't decided which you are) as being very humble either. You don't see me run around a website self promoting a company and deals in a thread that is about a new DSLR that can take video.
I guess in a city where everyone and their mother has a "production company" you feel the need to keep throwing yourself out there.
The real question is: Are you going to allow this thread to get back on the topic of the D90, or are you going to keep talking about yourself?
Jared Meyer
Veteran
"Sociopathic/inferiority complexes?" WTF are you going on about? You made a statement mocking anyone who chose to use a particular tool for a purpose YOU don't happen to think it's suited for; Zak countered. Why the hostility?
If anyone can prove that the tools don't matter, it's Zak. His HV20 short has done very well. The man puts his money where his mouth is.
If anyone can prove that the tools don't matter, it's Zak. His HV20 short has done very well. The man puts his money where his mouth is.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
I'm likely to keep talking about myself.
I thought we were discussing the D90?
Now it sounds like going to a fight and having a hockey game break out.
Now it sounds like going to a fight and having a hockey game break out.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Hi The Sarlacc:
I see where you are coming from but the thing is, it's already underway. Still photography and video are already converging as we speak. Doesn't matter what you want the manufacturers to do, they are going to do what they think will give them an edge over the competition and whatever their market research tells them. Nikon wouldn't have gone through all of the time and effort engineering the feature if they didn't think it would sell.
If the feature doesn't prove to be a hit and doesn't sell, then you may see a pull back from this position but with the evolution of high resolution, relatively large CMOS sensors being so popular, I don't see this trend going away.
Funny you mention, I am actually developing a short film that will be directed by someone who has a hit feature in theaters right now. The film will be photographed on the D90 by one of the biggest ASC names in Hollywood. It's strictly an experimental short film, nothing that will be sold or distributed in theaters. You might have hung up if I called you but this person seemed interested and intrigued by trying to shoot a project on a DSLR. Some people in the business have an open mind, some don't.
Different strokes...
D
The Sarlacc
Well-known member
What you say is true, and I knew it was coming for a long time. It was only a matter of when. And I always expected it from Canon first.
Doesn't mean I agree with it in this particular instance. I actually happen to have a very open mind, and because of such I have done a lot of oddball testing with lot of ASC members and DPs with large reps. But since I happen to big into still photography I'd prefer to keep them separate.
I can just see all the companies making accessories to retrofit a D90 to make it a "production" ready "movie" camera. I can see it being the largest pain in the ass for ACs and DPs alike. And I can see some "free thinkers" loving the idea of it.
Personally, I don't. I want to keep my career and my hobby separate.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I am sure that Red Rock and Zacuto have adapted mounts, parts, battery systems, audio systems on the drawing board as we type this.
I hear you, it was interesting seeing ACs and a DP who are used to Panavision gear when I was on Adam Cultraro's film set for "Corrado", trying to make real wireless follow focus mechanisms work with the HVX-200 and a Letus. I shoot with the HVX so much that sometimes when I shoot with a "real" camera like a Varicam or an F950, I forget how much easier it is to have tools created specifically for your purpose, rather than a prosumer thing created for weddings, events, etc.
A lot of us do get a kick out of creating something pro looking with cheap tools too though, there is a different pleasure in doing that as well. As far as I am concerned, video on the D90 is just a foretelling of the future. It's not a good codec, horrible ergonomics, but relatively great lenses that are affordable with a relatively large imager. There is something intriguing about that.
In one sense, we totally agree, I see this as a "creeping around the periphery" trend, not a mainstream trend. Most DVX readers are poor, relatively broke indie people who try to do everything as cheaply as possible. I am sure over at the Cinematography.com website, the D90 is getting an even less enthusisatic reception as a filmmaking tool ;-)
Have a good weekend!
Dan
John Godden
Well-known member
Has anyone found good D90 videos on the web?
I've looked through a lot of the videos on Vimeo and they all look pretty bad. At full screen there is a lot of jaggies and not so nice looking macro-blocking when there's a lot of detail in a scene.
regards
JohnG
I've looked through a lot of the videos on Vimeo and they all look pretty bad. At full screen there is a lot of jaggies and not so nice looking macro-blocking when there's a lot of detail in a scene.
regards
JohnG
Mattykins
Cute Member
Hmm, strange. Seeing as how the F35 is only a demo camera right now a few months away from going live. (And yes, I work with big cameras too. And I have a sales rep for the Fseries.)
I can assure you that shooting on an F35 now isn't possible. Unless you count a demo as shooting with one. If you said that in November or December - I'd be more inclined to believe you.
The Sarlacc
Well-known member
Last March two Sony engineers flew from Japan with two prototype F35 bodies. I worked with the sfx house that was commissioned by Sony to shoot test footage to be shown at NAB.
I posted that over in F23 threads awhile ago. It was footage in the snow with a boy and horse and a barn. I believe it was in fact shown at the Sony at NAB.
Still don't believe me then I can't help, but I have no reason to lie.
The Sarlacc
Well-known member
Here is the thread:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=131526&page=2
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=131526&page=2
10s
Veteran
Please gentlmen, it's evident all of you are talented and smart people, Thank you.
(IMO) The D90 presents the possibility that a mfg. someday will finally produce a low cost, high quality video motion picture camera, with a decent sized sensor, good blurr/bokeh, interchangable lenses, a good codec, resolution, color, blah, blah blah, -- everything we been asking for many many years. It reminds me after years of dissappointing designs that getting slr quality motion picture is possible.
Maybe someone will get it right. If Nikon would rehouse it into a more suitable motion picture camera design, make it 1080p, 24,25, 30fps ... and use a better codec, no skew, no rolling shutter, XLR audio inputs with limiters, we would be very happy campers. Come to think of it, if our friends at Panasonic would use larger sensors and finally incorporate interchangable lenses (Canon & Nikon) on the HPX 170 type cameras we would be even happy campers. C'mon Panasonic you can do it. It's not that tough! You know -- You could also make a series of Lecia lenses, hmmm
....think of the money you'd make!
Sidenote: RED is making Scarlet, it's getting close to what we want but it has a fixed lens (hello, anyone home?) and the body looks too wierd for ergonomic usage (IMO). After watching the various lenses Nikon displays at it's WEB site for the D90, it reaffirms the need to have interchanable lenses. Interchangable lense is a basic requirement.
(IMO) The D90 presents the possibility that a mfg. someday will finally produce a low cost, high quality video motion picture camera, with a decent sized sensor, good blurr/bokeh, interchangable lenses, a good codec, resolution, color, blah, blah blah, -- everything we been asking for many many years. It reminds me after years of dissappointing designs that getting slr quality motion picture is possible.
Maybe someone will get it right. If Nikon would rehouse it into a more suitable motion picture camera design, make it 1080p, 24,25, 30fps ... and use a better codec, no skew, no rolling shutter, XLR audio inputs with limiters, we would be very happy campers. Come to think of it, if our friends at Panasonic would use larger sensors and finally incorporate interchangable lenses (Canon & Nikon) on the HPX 170 type cameras we would be even happy campers. C'mon Panasonic you can do it. It's not that tough! You know -- You could also make a series of Lecia lenses, hmmm
....think of the money you'd make!Sidenote: RED is making Scarlet, it's getting close to what we want but it has a fixed lens (hello, anyone home?) and the body looks too wierd for ergonomic usage (IMO). After watching the various lenses Nikon displays at it's WEB site for the D90, it reaffirms the need to have interchanable lenses. Interchangable lense is a basic requirement.