Micro four thirds shooting video!

hmmm, on the website is says..

"1920 x 1080-pixel HD (high-definition) photo recording
The G1 shoots wide-screen, 16:9, full-HD images. These images
are simply breathtaking when displayed on an HDTV, which
handles about four times the data of a standard-definition TV. Enjoy a whole new style of HDTV viewing with family and friends"...

that kinda sounds like video recording to me. "photo recording". It also mentions QuickTime Motion JPEG...
 
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murcott said:
hmmm, on the website is says..

"1920 x 1080-pixel HD (high-definition) photo recording
The G1 shoots wide-screen, 16:9, full-HD images. These images
are simply breathtaking when displayed on an HDTV, which
handles about four times the data of a standard-definition TV. Enjoy a whole new style of HDTV viewing with family and friends"...

that kinda sounds like video recording to me. "photo recording". It also mentions QuickTime Motion JPEG...
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there is no mention here about a movie recording feature, at what resolution and what fps

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-...MC-G1R.S_11002_7000000000000005702#tabsection

if it does video indeed, the lack of fps may indicate a low rate, like 15fps or something. or was left out and the marketing people messed with the press release. or they just hope to get it to work by november :D

no video menus either
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCG1/DMCG1MODES.HTM

the HD lens will be a single model in 2009. contrast focusing for pictures is limited in compatibility. only panasonic's lenses will surely AF

but at $800 you can get a D80 or canon 30D and maybe 40D's in the future. d40 and 400d are even cheaper. that doesn't sound like good thinking from panasonic. selling this like a midrange dslr and way above many olympus dslrs
 
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ando said:
i see now, i was reading quickly the dpreview news

"The 4/3-type 12.1-megapixel Live MOS sensor featured in the DMC-G1 offers the best of both worlds – the superior image quality of a CCD sensor, and the lower power consumption of a CMOS sensor."

so probably it's a tweaked ccd to use low power.

and the Electronic Viewfinder
"Live View Finder, resulting in the 1.44 million-dot"

"dot" is the keyword. a dot is a color dot, 3 dots RGB one next to another look like a pixel to human eye
it's not a 1.44mp image!!!!

the back LCD is 460,000 dots so you can imagine it's just a little better than any p&s screen you have. still more than twice lower than on current dslrs like D90
look at this pictures
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonicG1/page3.asp
you can clearly see it's low res. compare with 920k lcd like on d300 images, you can't see the pixels at all

why this thread?
it DOESN'T record video change the title man. it has nothing to do with video or D90 forum
if oly will record video sometime it'll get a special forum, until then.....
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No, it's probably their implementation of CMOS.

MOS is the operative word not CCD
 
Unfortunately this camera doesn't shoot video. I would like to see what kind of images you would get from a 4/3 senor.

It still has shallow dof, but compared to APS-C its about a one stop difference. So an image shot a F2.8 on 4/3 would look some what like an APS-C image shot at F4. Still good separation but would be easier to change or correct focus.

The flange distance of the normal 4/3 mount allows for a multitude of old manual lenses to be used with it. Much more than EOS, which will make lens acquisition cheaper (Konica lens etc). It's 2x crop would help alot with wildlife shooters as well.

The problems with 4/3 is it has problems with dynamic range and hi iso capabilities compared to APS-C. The 2x crop puts it at a disadvantage when using wide angles, you would be forced to use a 4/3 type lens designed for wide angle.

The 4/3 image itself would be a toss up. Some people like to shoot 16x9, I think the image size reminds me of old b&w movies, who knows you could be the next Kurosawa or Ford?:)
 
As I see it I think this camera is a bit expensive (800$ for the body only) if you have in mind that you can get a D90 for 200$ dollars more. Also have in mind that more "serious compacts" such as the G9, the LX3 and the P6000 cost about 500$. They have to be very careful so this camera won't be put on a limbo that is too far and too close from both worlds without actualy belonging to any of them.
 
ekai said:
The problems with 4/3 is it has problems with dynamic range and hi iso capabilities compared to APS-C. The 2x crop puts it at a disadvantage when using wide angles, you would be forced to use a 4/3 type lens designed for wide angle.
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Right, 4/3 is behind the best APS-C sensors and the camera doesn't even benefit from one of the advantages of a SLR - fast phase detect AF. With contrast detect (and I highly doubt it will be fast), the user gets the benefit of a small package (bigger than a P&S still), better IQ than their P&S (but not as good as APS-C) and missing several advantages of dSLRs that cost the same or less. On paper/in a vacuum, the move makes sense, but not in the current market environment.
 
murcott said:
hmmm, on the website is says..

"1920 x 1080-pixel HD (high-definition) photo recording
The G1 shoots wide-screen, 16:9, full-HD images. These images
are simply breathtaking when displayed on an HDTV, which
handles about four times the data of a standard-definition TV. Enjoy a whole new style of HDTV viewing with family and friends"...

that kinda sounds like video recording to me. "photo recording". It also mentions QuickTime Motion JPEG...
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Those are for stills at the moment since the G1 can shoot stills in 16:9 aspect ratio. It seems to me that these micro 4/3rds sensors are designed from the ground-up for video (and of course live-view).

What I find personally interesting is the philosophical differences between how the D90 handles video and how these micro-4/3rds camera. The D90 at its core is still a still-photography camera that takes videos, and thera are compromises. These m43 cameras are live-view cameras at its core, and are hoping to leverage video as a central feature rather then an auxillary one.

Which makes sense since Olympus/Panny really couldn't go head-to-head with Canikon with their smaller sensors and brand recondition in the entry-level market (4/3 being 2.0 crop and APS-C being 1.5-1.6 crop).

So these micro-4/3rds sensor is really trying to find its niche. Smaller, compact, cameras with interchangeable-lenses that are more like rangefinders during the film days (Leica M, Nikon SP, Contax G, etc). But only with video, and it does away with ancillary components like reflex mirrors, ovf, phase-detection AF, that aren't needed for the specific niche its trying to carve out (and in many ways forfeiting customers that need those components; which Canikon seems to be getting anyways).

. . . all this is pointless until we actually see something (but hopefully Olympus may have something in the coming weeks).

From the official site:
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/whitepaper.html
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Oh, as for the price it is YTBA, but all articles I've read say it will be UNDER 800us$ WITH the 14-45mm (28-90mm) lens...which is more reasonable than 800us$ for the body only.
One thing that pissed me off is that they dropped the Leica partnership on this one :( and instead came up with their own lumix lenses. What they have to do to boost this format now is to come up with some fast and sharp lenses...and to offer quality video (as well as photo, of course).
I for once am very curious about micro four thirds. I travel A LOT and my pace durring my trips is VERY FAST. Even though I would absolutely adore having a digital camera that allows me what a DLSR allows durring my trips, the size factor always imposed it self. I once took a trip with a D40 and it simply didn't do it for me. Micro four thirds could be a dream come true for guys like me, who are not pros but want more than just a point and shoot.

Photokina will start in 2 weeks. Maybe we can see some surprises there.
 
More info on the DMC-G1

More info on the DMC-G1

I read the dpreview article. 2 questions
1. Upto 60 fps shutter and unlimited jpeg storage with a fast card. does it mean that I can set shutter speed at 48fps and record 24P as a series of still JPEG images ? At DCI resolution too ?

2. The HDMI output - is there any info on whether its 30P 1080P or even 25P 1080P ?

The HDMI video signal can be captured - as long as its worth capturing. Hopefully its the signal sent BEFORE JPEG compression and has good decimation without aliasing..
 
rawfa said:
I once took a trip with a D40 and it simply didn't do it for me. Micro four thirds could be a dream come true for guys like me, who are not pros but want more than just a point and shoot.
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The Nikon D40? That was too large??
 
The thread title will be correct in spring 2009.

Quote below is from http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/091208-panasonic-to-challenge-nikon-with.html?hpg1=bn

Panasonic is developing a version of its Lumix G1 digital still camera with the ability to record high-definition video with auto focus.

The camera will challenge Nikon's recently launched D90, which goes on sale next week in Japan. The D90 is the first digital SLR (single lens reflex) camera with the ability to record high-definition video, but its auto-focus doesn't operate in video mode, only in still mode .

Panasonic's G1 doesn't offer high-definition video, but with a future model Panasonic will attempt to top the D90 by delivering high-defintion video with auto-focus.

A prototype of that future model was shown at a Tokyo news conference held to launch the G1. The prototype was displayed under glass so it's not clear if it was a working model. It looked identical to the G1 with the exception of a red "HD" inscription on the body to the left side of the lens. It also didn't display a model name.

The only indication of a launch date was "spring 2009" for Japan.
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but with a future model Panasonic will attempt to top the D90 by delivering high-defintion video with auto-focus.
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When shooting for shallow DOF I would definitely prefer to shoot manual focus. What are the odds that Panasonic's engineers think it should pull-focus the way I want it to? I presume most of the lenses have plasticy, gritty focus rings if they have them at all...
 
Thebes said:
When shooting for shallow DOF I would definitely prefer to shoot manual focus. What are the odds that Panasonic's engineers think it should pull-focus the way I want it to? I presume most of the lenses have plasticy, gritty focus rings if they have them at all...
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Given the short register distance of mFT, I expect it won't be long at all before somebody makes an adapter for Nikon or Pentax mounts, since both are pretty basic mechanical linkages (so long as you get lenses with aperture rings).
 
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