Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Would it help to convert the HDV files to Prores...or did you try that and I missed it in this thread?
to all mac users : very important!
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Adam Forgione
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no hdmi but it has component and sdi, i will look into that, bummer that the whole selling point of the ex1 was the cards, now i have to use the cam to capture after all that
Adam Forgione
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well i tried it but it seems to take a long time to convert, so it defeats the purpose, im either gonna soend time converting to prores or exporting hdv, either way.
It defeats the purpose because you are working on a laptop.
If this is an issue, why not move to more robust hardware.
And perhaps I'm missing something here, but if you are using a MBP, then there isn't going to be any hardware acceleration until you move to a desktop at any level or platform
If this is an issue, why not move to more robust hardware.
And perhaps I'm missing something here, but if you are using a MBP, then there isn't going to be any hardware acceleration until you move to a desktop at any level or platform
Taylor Rudd
Veteran
Here's a hardware solution:
Run the SDI from your EX1 through the AJA io HD box to your laptop. Real time mobile ProRes acquisition. ProRes will treat you better than native HDV, especially when color correcting.
The EX1 is 35Mb/s, by the way, unless you transfer through the firewire port. They also sell SxS card readers, so you don't have to have the camera to import the footage.
You could even capture straight to ProRes from your Z1 and FX1 if you had the proper Mac Pro, relieving you of the headaches of HDV's compression.
I fear some of these issues stem from improper assumptions about the format being used.
Run the SDI from your EX1 through the AJA io HD box to your laptop. Real time mobile ProRes acquisition. ProRes will treat you better than native HDV, especially when color correcting.
The EX1 is 35Mb/s, by the way, unless you transfer through the firewire port. They also sell SxS card readers, so you don't have to have the camera to import the footage.
You could even capture straight to ProRes from your Z1 and FX1 if you had the proper Mac Pro, relieving you of the headaches of HDV's compression.
I fear some of these issues stem from improper assumptions about the format being used.
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Adam Forgione
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im starting to look into the IOHD box, its a bummer i cant take advantage of the cards with my built in expres slot on my mac, even though the ex is 35mb/s i shoot at 25 mb/s do you think that will matter?
Adam Forgione
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are thinking of a specific acceleration for macpro? will it accelerate render or export times?
MacPros can be purchased with 8 cores.
That will speed rendering significantly to my understanding; certainly much faster than a duo core MBP.
That will speed rendering significantly to my understanding; certainly much faster than a duo core MBP.
Adam Forgione
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wow i may have found a better solution with my HDV footage. i sonly tested a small project so i wont know for sure until i have a more advanced project with filetsr, slomo, and transitions but here is what i just did. :
i imported my original HDV files. dragged them on the timelne and let fcp change it to HDV sequence, opened the sequence settings and changed the codec to proress under the "render control" tab, changed the compressor setting in the "general" tab to prores. then i rendered and exported and bamm it was an acceptable speed. the file is bigger but i know that. the thing i never did was change the compressor setting away from HDV 1080 60i. i hope this helps i can live with this if the export is faster like it just was. any comments?
i imported my original HDV files. dragged them on the timelne and let fcp change it to HDV sequence, opened the sequence settings and changed the codec to proress under the "render control" tab, changed the compressor setting in the "general" tab to prores. then i rendered and exported and bamm it was an acceptable speed. the file is bigger but i know that. the thing i never did was change the compressor setting away from HDV 1080 60i. i hope this helps i can live with this if the export is faster like it just was. any comments?
Lente Loco Studios
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well said
well said
I am a few months away from buying Adobe's master suite CS4. as soon as it comes out I will get it and forget about the mac once and for all... well not 100% but close.
well said
I am a few months away from buying Adobe's master suite CS4. as soon as it comes out I will get it and forget about the mac once and for all... well not 100% but close.
Lente Loco Studios
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one more thing for those whom hate to wait for renders. I have a small rendering farm made of Mac Minis and it works like a charm. I too used to get so frustrated, lost time (my editing station was rendering) because it used to take 18-24 Hrs to render a project... But now it only takes 1-2 Hrs to do bigger jobs. so those mac minis are the secret for a on the cheap rendering farm. in fact I am so happy with the results I am buying 8 more for an almost instant render.
Spartacus
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How exactly does your setup look like?
Do you use Apple Server for the distributed rendering?
Also, do you render out image sequences or can you also do single file renders, like final HD output to a ProRes HQ quictime movie?
:dankk2:
I'm also a happy Mac owner, on my 12th Mac .... I love using their reliable hardware.......and still shoot SD , so this discussion is enlightening now the I'm scoping the switch to HD.
Thing is, Apple is a hardware mfg, and software is only part of their game, unlike
Adobe, Canopus, Vegas ............Apple is really good at what they do...creating desirable, affordable, dependable gear .......... they plow research funds into whatever product will fill the company coffers....to make shareholders happy, and maintain growth in very tough enonomic times.... an entirely logical and healthy business model..... and despite their pr .... FCP Studio isn't all that big in their scheme of priorities... much as we'd wish.
If Apple's philosophy is to encourage FCP users to upgrade to the fastest intel Macs,
we can understand why......to move their new hardware and keep profits up....
Perhaps that's why supporting 3rd party accelerators is no longer desirable, as that wouldn't encourage users to upgrade their computers every 3 yrs.....as a G5 owner I may not like it, but can see the reasoning as solid business logic if the company is to suceed and survive. They may offer another solution to these issues, or not, we won't know till it's announced.
Like others, I'll make do with what they offer in FCP, as filmmaking doesn't pay my rent, and most importantly, learning another NLE is a huge comittment of time....and for me, addnl hardware cost...... anyway it's almost time I upgraded my computer if only for Photoshop acceleration. It'd be nice to have a 2nd machine to download images & burn dvds while I continue editing... or render stuff
Thing is, Apple is a hardware mfg, and software is only part of their game, unlike
Adobe, Canopus, Vegas ............Apple is really good at what they do...creating desirable, affordable, dependable gear .......... they plow research funds into whatever product will fill the company coffers....to make shareholders happy, and maintain growth in very tough enonomic times.... an entirely logical and healthy business model..... and despite their pr .... FCP Studio isn't all that big in their scheme of priorities... much as we'd wish.
If Apple's philosophy is to encourage FCP users to upgrade to the fastest intel Macs,
we can understand why......to move their new hardware and keep profits up....
Perhaps that's why supporting 3rd party accelerators is no longer desirable, as that wouldn't encourage users to upgrade their computers every 3 yrs.....as a G5 owner I may not like it, but can see the reasoning as solid business logic if the company is to suceed and survive. They may offer another solution to these issues, or not, we won't know till it's announced.
Like others, I'll make do with what they offer in FCP, as filmmaking doesn't pay my rent, and most importantly, learning another NLE is a huge comittment of time....and for me, addnl hardware cost...... anyway it's almost time I upgraded my computer if only for Photoshop acceleration. It'd be nice to have a 2nd machine to download images & burn dvds while I continue editing... or render stuff
j1clark@ucsd.edu
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I'm still bitter about Matrox stemming from having to interact with their engineering in the 80's. Their card of that era did not work... we sent engineers to Matrox Land... and the engineers had to sit in an outer office, demonstrat 'problem', then wait while the set up was taken into Matrox Engineering, then wait for response. The process to come to some conclusion was painful, slow, and ultimately too late.
I used this experience to argue successfully with the management of the company to can PC's, Matrox, application software to that point, an go over to a VME 68K based system. The design, development, and reimplementation, was shorter than interacting with Matrox.
So if Apple is 'cool' to Matrox... it's probably because someone has been f*cked over in Apple Land by Matrox...
Further, while I don't like some of Apple's attitudes about clones... one of the stated, often, and loudly, is because with Apple controlling the hardware, the end user's experience will ultimately be better in that there is no 'variety' of platforms, and the resulting compromises that are required to address these 'vagaries' that have plagued the PC world in the myriad of clones that are available...