The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

Ok im off to bed- now at least I can sleep knowing there is a perfect videocamera/dslr combo for my wife. (actually it would be for me, but I would give it to her as a gift:))
 
VERY interesting! Some of the video clips I've seen from the D90 look way better than most the camcorder vids on Vimeo!
Calling my Nikon Rep in the morning.

frisco
 
Actually this is a horrendous misconception by Nikon that you can not use manual exposure.
http://chsvimg.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/d-movie/ look at the samples, the D90 changes the exposure in hard stops, that has never been seen on any damn consumer camcorder. This must be addressed or the movie function falls hard. Imagine all the customers who brought this cam complaining about that image brightness jumpiness if I may call it so.

The jumpy exposure shift is by far the most idiotic engineering fault I have seen from major manufacturer, but what can you expect from the first of it's kind. Believe me this is intentional "fault" and we will see the manual exp movie function on a $2000 Nikon DSLR instead.
But until then most cell phones can handle forced automatic exposure more dynamically than the clips from that D-Movie page show us, the inner racist awakes.

Damn,
T
 
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Toenis,
I noticed this as well. This as well. I find that even with my d80 when I shoot a bunch in rapid succession, there tends to be a slight variation in exposure. However if this was fixed for the production model I would seriously rethink my next purchase. Could you imagine, a feature film shot on... a Nikon?

This opens up the doors to a potential Nikon HD camera. If they have their sensors being able to capture video, why not spend some time and develop a full fledged, full frame super HD cam for a fraction of the price of say... RED.
 
Toenis said:
Actually this is a horrendous misconception by Nikon that you can not use manual exposure.
http://chsvimg.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/d-movie/ look at the samples, the D90 changes the exposure in hard stops, that has never been seen on any damn consumer camcorder. This must be addressed or the movie function falls hard. Imagine all the customers who brought this cam complaining about that image brightness jumpiness if I may call it so.

Damn,
T
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This could be a BIG problem!

frisco
 
If this still turns up to be full manual control movie mode, or will be updated with firmware it will sell many many many times more Nikon "digital" lenses that of sold today as those digital lenses are optimized for cropped sensors. I as absolute Canon follower would sell all my Canon gear (except for 5D and some L's) and purchase nikon DX lenses and a movie body like the D90 if it will support manual exp.

Pleas bombard your local Nikon reps with the questions like why the exp is jumpy in movie mode and if there will be manual exp available in movie mode as this is absolutely essential. Maybe it was said that the only available automatic function in movie mode is the auto exp, god I hope so.
How could Ken Rockwell possibly miss that essential fact.

Hope,
T
 
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There is an 'exposure lock' available in movie mode. You can set ISO and exposure prior to taking the shot. Also I think you set the picture control before taking the shot - so you should be able to have custom settings i.e black and white or other colour settings and then dial in exposure / ISO and then shoot through the live view on the lcd.
If you lock the exposure and shoot with old AI lenses with the aperture ring I can't see why the D90 would then adjust the exposure after that?
We'll see but here's a list of things I like about this movie mode:
1. Really good LCD for accurate focusing.
2. HDMI output to HD display.
3. No reversed image - so no need to reverse in post.
4. CMOS sensor size.
5. Ability to use Image Stabilized lenses.
6. Portability and stealth.
7. Storage media and data transfer - I'm fed up with tape.
8. Able to use Cokin P-holder with ND grads.
9. Price.

The only two things that would stop me buying this camera are if Canon brings out a new 5D with a movie mode and if the Nikon D90 does have exposure problems and that even with exposure lock there are still problems.
 
My guess is that they shot with the camera in the Springtime and perhaps not all of the movie features were in the firmware. We'll have to wait and see.
 
Wait a minute, is there a shoulder mount available for the D90? Zacuto maybe?
Imagine all those D90s with FFs and matteboxes...
... sorry couldn't hold it back.

T
 
Imagine trying to pull focus with the LCD on that thing. Dunno how well that would work. Also imagine the inertial disadvantage of a light-as-a-feather D90 versus a heavier shoulder camera.
 
Cheers,

omg, if this is really true i will sell my canon xl. imagine! buy 16gb-CF-Cards. ( Like i would buy 20 ). Almost unlimited of runtime. Buy batteries buy shoulder support, buy mattebox buy the frickin cam. gee im so excited.
Garry
 
wow. thanks for posting this man. very exciting.

anyone see anything about video storage/time ratio? as in how many minutes of 720p you would get on an 8gig card for example? i only found that info for stills.
 
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At 500mb per 5 minutes this is about half 1/2 of the mini DV bandwidth.
Would that motion jpg codec be of usable quality?
You can see HD sample vid HERE! really bad, I mean really unusable, I just hope that this is a conversion and operator error combined.


T
 
I was looking at the camera over at dpreview as well. I think it would be better to go with one of the Canon HV30 cams instead of this one. The only downside (from what I've heard) on the HV30 is the lack of manual iris. Shooting 5 minutes could be okay, but it just seems like extra hastle if you're not getting the benefit of more resolution and better compression.
 
talked to a guy over at nikon and he said it "should" have exposure lock for d-movie mode. he wasn't sure because they haven't even received the camera yet, but to call back within a week and he can test it. also the exposure is set in camera and not the lens so that'll still be a bummer if it doesn't lock. said release date should be in september.
 
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Known facts:

Highest Video Resolution: 1280x720 (aka 720p) downsampled(not cropped) from a APS-C/S35 4k sensor
Framerates: 24fps fixed, not variable
Format: Motion JPEG/MJPEG 4:4:4 (wikipedia it)
Datarate: 588mb/5min or 1.96mb/s (thats megabytes not megabits)
Exposure lock: Avaliable
Exposure compensation: Avaliable
Iris/Aperture control: Yes - also displayed on LCD
Focus control: Manual lens ring only, no AF
Shutter speed control: Yes, via exposure lock - also displayed on LCD
ISO control: Yes, via exposure lock - also displayed on LCD
Price: $1000US without lens


-someone posted that in the post under the news section.
 
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