Best format in HD for short film in September...720/24p or 720/30p

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I want a little bit of that grainy look that the 24p gives you in 720 but what is the best format for a 12 minute short. I will be using (3) 16 gb cards and possibly a letus extreme 35 adapter.
 
Also use 24pN if you plan on shooting in 720. It saves space and is the exact same as shooting in 24p just the redundant frames are deleted before they get to the card so you have 24 frame and only 24 frames with no pulldown.

But if your open to opinions I would suggest shooting in 1080 24pA if space is not an issue. It gives you about 15%-20% more res and there is less compression. Just make sure you shoot in pA and more importantly import in 24pA. I used to do 720 and it looks great but I did my last short in 1080 and it looks even better.

And for the grain part of the question I would suggest shooting the best light and cleanest image you can and then add a digital effect to create the grain you want. Shooting this way will give you more options in post and can spare many headaches.

JP
 
Really wish a warning would come up on screen when you select 30p. As a format it's utterly useless both in look and in post-production flexibility.

Noah
 
NoahK said:
As a format it's utterly useless both in look and in post-production flexibility.
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I'm curious why you would make this statement? What if you wanted the most resolution out of 720 or SD and also the movement of 30fps?

For cinema, this is not my cup of tea, but if you were doing an instructional, promotional, news, or even a doc I think it is a viable option.

Is there some piece of info I don't know of?
 
I once shot exclusively with 720 24p. After seeing the limitations on camera movement imposed by the format, I now shoot mostly 30P and have much smoother motion without judder. I feel that the filmic look is more from
progressive than 24 frames. To me, 30P does not look videolike in any way.
But that's just me.
 
mainstreetprod said:
I once shot exclusively with 720 24p. After seeing the limitations on camera movement imposed by the format, I now shoot mostly 30P and have much smoother motion without judder. I feel that the filmic look is more from
progressive than 24 frames. To me, 30P does not look videolike in any way.
But that's just me.
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24 has been for more than 60 years the frame rate for cinema, the limitations are the same in that matter in video at 24 frames or cinema at 24 frames, since you are goint to film.

But if you are shooting for video (HD or SD) better do it at 30 FPS

For me, Its funny to think that a caracteristic is a limitation, But that's just me.
 
I think what Noah meant was the incompatibilities of the 30fps frame rate with other formats and editing scenarios. Also for transfering to film. Ask many post houses and they'll tell you NOT to go 30p because of frame and field-split relationship issues with the 24fps film uses in its default motion speed). If we were good in math at school we could simply do the equation and simply it doesnt work easily.
That all can be done ...yes...of course, but he wasnt talking as a matter of taste, it's a matter of workflow simplicity.
For taste's sake we can do whatever we want....for real life situations where film is the last medium to go for, then...that's when the problem starts.
 
I'm curious about shooting in 1080. Filmbuff, you said

"But if your open to opinions I would suggest shooting in 1080 24pA if space is not an issue. It gives you about 15%-20% more res and there is less compression. Just make sure you shoot in pA and more importantly import in 24pA."

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but regardless of what 1080 you shoot, it's still 1080I. So why the pa vs p (I get why the 24)? Are there not issues with interlace artifacting, especially with action/movement? Can you import it in such a way as to make it progressive, thus actually having 1080 resolution and not more like 540 or having issues like artifacting?

I am very interested in this for my use, but am used to working with film. For my purposes, I am interested in the most filmic look possible and would often have action/movement scenes as this is my forte, hence my concerns. Size of files does not concern me. While unlikely, the footage could see a filmout.

Thanks in advance

Matt Anderson
www.stuntworks.org
 
The HVX is a 1080p camera and uses pixel shifting to achieve this. Since the camera shoots 24 progressive frames there is no interlacing. The reason why it says 1080i24pA in the camera is because it uses the 1080i stream as a vessel to carry the 24 progressive frame rate. But rest assured that the frame is 1080p and has more rez and less compression than 720p using the same camera. And on the issue of artifacting, the camera does not have a lot of those issues with that except in some SD modes. But with using 1080 24pA I have not had any major issues with artifacting.
 
Pretty simple for now: If you're project will never see film, use 30p. If you have a chance of going to film, go 24pA.
 
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