Let's see who is a Noob and who is a Pro... lol

Ryan Patrick O'Hara

Ryan Patrick O'Hara

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There is a video study on Panavision's website:

In 2007 a major automobile manufacturer commissioned a comparison test to determine if they should continue shooting their commercials on film or migrate into high definition using the top of the line Genesis camera from Panavision.

The test was shot and put through DI under the supervision of Allen Daviau, ASC independent from Panavision. After the process was complete we were provided the exact footage you are about to see.
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Go to:

http://media.panavision.com/ScreeningRoom/Screening_Room/IGFC/ScreenTest/ScreenTest.html

And watch the test. Then see if you can guess. Sadly results are not avialable NOW, but we can discuss, and I will be sure to resurrect this forum topic when the results are released! I've already guessed and submitted. I'll tell you what I thought in a bit. I'll give others time to guess uninfluenced. ;)

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Actualy it all looks like video to me, thou there is som better lattitude on some scenes.

Assuming they want to show that the Genisis has better lattitude than film it may be exactly those clips.

Frank
 
If you're final output is going to be compressed SD like this video does it really matter that much whether you originate on film or digital except in terms of latitude?

Edit:
Frank, they may not necessarily be trying to show that the Genesis has as good as or better latitude than film. Panavision rents out film cameras too so this is kind of a win-win test for them.
 
I cant concentrate on that, the music they used is the same music I used on a tv advert and it now irritates the hell out of me. I cant stop thinking about horses when I hear that tune....
 
I can't tell the difference. You can't use highly compressed small clips like that to judge the difference between those formats.

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I agree, its compressed to no end. I also think it was purposely shot in a such a way that the film is meant to look as much like video as possible and vice versa. I was trying to judge by dynamic range/softness but I couldn't tell the difference, however with me personally, I don't thing any of those images were cinematic.
 
i think that is the irony of the test: that they didn't spend 20 to 30K to do a test shoot with proper crew & lighting to make cinematographic magic--if they would have spent that much to prove genesis was the better camera with captivating imagery, it'd be a drop in bucket that they could easily recoup.

i had a hard time watching the whole thing all the way through. let alone get excited to determine the better technology.
 
Can still post a reply though, so what if it wasn't a perfect cinematic quality shoot or view.
It appears as if the second of each shot was the film one.
More of these independent tests need to be done but they must be kept independent as in no sponsoring by any manufacturer Sony, Red, Panasonic or Panavision. I tried to organize a shoot with all the top HD and high res cameras side by side 35mm got to expensive though.
As our eyes don't see resolution they see contrast and the differences between the detail in a shot. Tests like these should be a combination of a scene and resolution charts, to be able to tell color depth, dynamic range and detail. Either way the more votes the better as image quality and resolution tests are highly subjective.
 
i agree, the compression is terrible, too hard to tell.

BUT... I do know they had a white truck! I was watching the reflections trying to see the camera. haha, yeah I tried to cheat.
 
An acquainted cameraman once told me an old professor of his from film school once told him - after viewing his latest short on a cinema screen - that he thought it was very nice that he was working with 35mm now. BUT, the short had actually been shot on DigiBeta... which the professor would not even believe at first and thought it was a joke...

I haven't seen the film on screen, only on DVD - I couldn't tell the difference either, but that's just on a tv screen.
 
A - FILM
B - GENESIS
C - GENESIS
D - FILM
E - GENESIS
F - FILM

Well, that's what I think based solely on perceived latitude. I've seen Superman in an IMAX theater and Apocalypto in 35mm. Superman exhibited a strange pixel display in a very select few scenes - mostly a couple of interior Daily Planet close-ups - otherwise, I thought Genesis looked incredible.

Also, I think it's a patently ridiculous argument that Panavision, a company with literally hundreds of 16 and 35mm cameras in use, would push a digital bias or agenda.

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I think its like this-

A-film
B-genesis
C-Genesis
D-Film
E-Film
F-Genesis

Its a matter of time when cost of film will be outweighed by the quality of a cheaper medium that people can't tell the difference of.

This is just a guess for all of us. Unless we were able to see the real footage at full rez no one can tell. If someone gets it right then their a genius - as far as guesses go.
 
I think it's pretty safe to say that the car company can shoot on whichever is the cheaper method. I couldn't really tell any difference. If prizes were offered for a correct answer, then I would re-edit the clips so that it switches back and forth faster , and when the shot is the same, ie car in the same place.

I think it would be easier to tell that way. Someone should do this. I would like to see.
 
This is what i thought also.

Michael T said:
I think its like this-

A-film
B-genesis
C-Genesis
D-Film
E-Film
F-Genesis

Its a matter of time when cost of film will be outweighed by the quality of a cheaper medium that people can't tell the difference of.

This is just a guess for all of us. Unless we were able to see the real footage at full rez no one can tell. If someone gets it right then their a genius - as far as guesses go.
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A - Film
B - Genesis
C - Film
D - Genesis
E - Genesis
F - Film

***But I've had a lot of beer :D
 
Panavision has a residual interest in every camera they build or modify because of how their cameras play in the marketplace.

Their long-view in the digital versus film discussion is more relevant considering Panavision's recent foray into post-production services.

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Dewy-dB said:
A - Film
B - Genesis
C - Film
D - Genesis
E - Genesis
F - Film

***But I've had a lot of beer :D
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I haven't and I thought the same. Impossible to tell really from that compressed garbage, I was just looking for tell tale signs one would expect.
 
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