EX3 $8320 at B&H

ex3 + nanoflash + relay+35mm adapter = pretty close to the perfect camera or maybe to much Frankestein to be perfect !
 
nanoFlash indeed. I also agree with the second cam theory but its such a hassle. We are all blessed and cursed as shooters.
 
SPZ said:
2 things I can see Panasonic doing:

1- Bundle the HPX500 with an HD lens for 11 000 USD, or Developing a Leica Dicomar for the HPX500 bringing it to 10 000 USD.

2- Bring Down the HPX500 body with rebates to 6000 USD.

This would be a fantastic deal, and great for us end users. As of now, being my next camera purchase next November (decided to keep original HVX200 for the moment), my decision is leaning towards an EX3.
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The existing rebate bought the HPX down to $7999. You're NOT going to see it much lower than that for some time. It was a screaming deal and is why I jumped on it. Found a nice HD Angenieux wide angle lens on ebay and I'm off to the races for under $17k.
 
Okay so wait

Body 8k
Batteries 1k (after shopping around)
3 32 g cards 3k, 4k ?
RR mattebox filters 1K
Panny monitor 3k
Lens 3-5k tops. Low end hd or nice used sd.

If you wiggle and sqirm you can get something nice under 20.
 
Don't forget $5k to $8k for a tripod worthy of this beauty, the HPX. That's what knocks me out of the HPX-500 race, I come in around $25k to $28k. Too much for the ever shrinking budgets I get.

Dan
 
Andrew McMillan said:
Okay so wait

Body 8k
Batteries 1k (after shopping around)
3 32 g cards 3k, 4k ?
RR mattebox filters 1K
Panny monitor 3k
Lens 3-5k tops. Low end hd or nice used sd.

If you wiggle and sqirm you can get something nice under 20.
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Already had the other stuff from other cameras. No squirming required.
 
The EX3 isn't really on the same level as the HPX-500 with a decent lens, but then considering the price differential that's not really surprising.

It has to be said though, if you can kit up an EX3 with something like Mike Schell's FlashXDR/nanoFLASH and a good 35mm adapter for a reasonable price you'll have one VERY nice little motion-picture camera on your hands (though it would require additional investment in 35mm lenses).
 
Sounds good, very good.

Will there be a Panasonic answer? Its a shame that Panasonic will likely be reactive, and not Proactive towards this. Which means only if the EX3 sells well will they attempt going to similar territory.

So no HPX500 price drop or an interchangeable lens HPX170 or a new model. Its all about business and market share, after all...

I would like to see more agressive SxS products from Sony.

Off topic question: Whats the weight of the Sony Ex3? lighter or heavier than an XL-1?
 
alexdias said:
I really can't understand how people do not have issues with the rolling shutter.
I read amazing things about the EX-1, the first 2 times I used it was on a tripod and I felt in love. Awesome LCD, sharp images and very sensitive. Hand down better than the HVX.
Next time I shot handheld and it was a disaster.
I'm quite stable and conservative with my moves. 25% of the footage was unusable.
The EX-3 is the perfect camera, if you always use it on a tripod.
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I shoot almost all of our fishing show handheld and I just got a call today from a large international distributor who said it was going into their catalog. Hopefully some network will pick it up.

If the EX1 had a serious problem with a rolling shutter, I wouldn't have gotten comments like "fantastic and beautiful scenery". Especially since 2/3 of the show was shot handheld on boats.

My shutter speeds are set between 1/40 and 1/60. Nothing out of the ordinary. I do use a shoulder mount to help stabilize the camera so that might be part of the trick.

However I did notice that if I tried to slow down a shot in After Effects and used Pixel Motion interpolation I'd end up with odd distortions. Otherwise, nothing but good-looking footage that color corrected and graded nicely n Apple's Color application.
 
who knows you could skimp out and get a 1.5k bogen.

On a another forum we played with the Idea of an HPX 300 1/2 P2 camera. kida of like folllowing the sony dsr series.

I wish people would stop talking about good glass on the 500 though. If your even considering the 500 your not going to have the cash for some good glass.

Pure drifting, maybe you need squirm a little more, eh?
I guess we all have to keep looking for Hunter's magic SD ebay lens right?
 
Andrew McMillan said:
I wish people would stop talking about good glass on the 500 though. If your even considering the 500 your not going to have the cash for some good glass.
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Huh? The 17x Fujinon that's being packaged with most HPX-500's is a terrific piece of glass, it doesn't cost the world and the results from it speak for themselves.

Again, the HPX-500 isn't in the same price-class as the Sony 1/2" cameras - so obviously if your budget stretches to an EX1 or an EX3 in a pinch you're never going to be able to consider the 500 in the first place.
 
The rolling shutter thing was blown was out of proportion in forums. I've never ever had a problem working with CMOS chips.

As for Panasonic being reactive. It's the nature of the industry. They will come out with something new soon. Just as Sony came out with something nice. Sony does have the CineAlta line on their side. (which always impresses me).

But, everyone comes out with newer and better cameras every other day it seems. Only a matter of time before Panasonic does the same.
 
Mattykins said:
The rolling shutter thing was blown was out of proportion in forums. I've never ever had a problem working with CMOS chips.
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Depends on what you are shooting. I shot a baseball game and most of the base steals and tracking with runners coming in to home were unusable. I shot 60fps stuff and it was horrible. Not a little skewing, a lot, like the shot was made through Jello, hence the new name for the footage ©JelloVision. Go and shoot car racing with it. Unusable. Basically anything with high speed continuous panning is going to look weird.

I have nothing agianst the EX-1, I am shooting four projects with it as we speak. It makes really nice images, amazing lens and lcd, it's a nice machine. But for high speed action, it is a bad choice. For skateboarding, skiing, motor sports, tennis, baseball, football, most high speed action sports, it is going to disappoint you. The effect isn't subtle, numerous people have seen the footage and not knowing anything about it, have asked me how I made it look "all bent".

As far as Dean's fishing, totally makese sense, shooting a fishing show would not involved high speed continuous pans. Same with shooting jet skis, if you were tracking them in a boat. The effect comes out when the camera itself is being whipped around, not the subject as much. Subtle skewing wouldn't be a big deal but the bending of the picture about 40 degrees does make it a big limitation.

Dan
 
Dan, could you please post some footage of the Jellovision? I'm thinking about getting the EX1, but some of my work does involve action shots.
 
Depends on what you are shooting. I shot a baseball game and most of the base steals and tracking with runners coming in to home were unusable. I shot 60fps stuff and it was horrible.
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I've seen in other forums where people have made this claim about the EX1, but each time it was then shown the user was not shooting properly (shutter, format, etc.) because others say they use it frequently for fast action with excellent results. I have seen race car footage, air show footage, etc., that looked sweet with the EX1, so these kinds of comments are always confusing. I think you really have to know the settings on this camera and what each setting is ideal more so than other cameras in this price range and lower. I've even seen stunning night time fireworks footage with the EX1 with zippo rolling shutter effect.

I'm not saying this as an EX1 defender because I'm not loyal to any single brand... yet, ha! But you have to ask yourself why some people get amazing footage with the EX1, even fast action stuff, while others say it's crap for fast action. I have to conclude it's 'knowledge' of the camera and 'how' to shoot it in each circumstance. No offense to those making the claims it sucks in certain circumstances (although I'm sure it would be bad for constant bright flash situations that fill the frame), but otherwise properly shot I think this camera will do you good if you learn it, inside and out.
 
Thanks to this post, I just got an RMA from b&h to exchange my ex1 for the ex3. By the way guys, check out http://vimeo.com/1135874 for some footage I shot this weekend. Mind you this was my first time out with this camera, but I'm pretty happy with the results.

They are both spec commercials that need to get edited down, but you can view the long version online now.
 
Hey cpaek72, did you add the vignetting in post? There's a lot of it on that footage. I just was wondering if that's an effect you were after and added it, or if it just came out that way. You have some nice footage by the way.
 
Hey, I went a little overboard in post. First time using magic bullet, so I'll be updating that spec spot soon with a 60. Thx.
 
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