Indiana Jones 4

Why didn't they just grab the Ark? The Raiders mythology would suggest that that artifact had all the power that the Reds could have needed - and then some. Talk about a bird in the hand.

Since Jones was so eager to help them, he should have pointed it out instead of simply running past it. Or was his "helping" just a clever ploy to get away? Hmm.... Clever George Lucas.

Clever, cheeky son of a *****.

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trudd said:
I haven't read the article yet (just got it in the mail), but I was incredibly annoyed with the blatant disregard for natural light sources. IE when Indy and Mac were first pulled out of the trunk - the sun to their backs yet there was a very bright key light set on their faces...

I did appreciate the following warehouse scene, however.

I can deal with movies that may not flow with my style, but the "look" of this film felt sloppy and entitled. Maybe I've just been spoiled with No Country/There Will Be Blood...
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HEAR-freakin-HEAR!~

That wasn't the sun anyway... it was a back-drop sunset... I couldn't believe how many scenes were shot indoors, faking the outdoors. Most scenes were "perfectly" lit... and 100% ADR... I was distracted by the candy-coated perfection.

Did anybody else notice Shya Laboof's legs get too long when he was straddling the boat-car and the jeep? His legs grew about 5" to create an exaggerated "splits"... watch it again... am I wrong? :shocked:

In the previous Indy flicks... everything was "real" illusions (real spiders, real rats, real bugs... using glass and lighting)... and in this one everything felt like illusive reality... I never once saw anything as real... it felt like a live-action comic book.

Is that bad? Nah... but the original Raiders felt like an escape... a real adventure... I wish this movie could have reached that level again.
 
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MattinSTL said:
HEAR-freakin-HEAR!~

In the previous Indy flicks... everything was "real" illusions (real spiders, real rats, real bugs... using glass and lighting)... and in this one everything felt like illusive reality... I never once saw anything as real... it felt like a live-action comic book.

Is that bad? Nah... but the original Raiders felt like an escape... a real adventure... I wish this movie could have reached that level again.
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Can't agree more. I was entertained from beginning to the end, but this really felt like a "Comic Book". The characters, environment, the "dangers" and the "tasks" felt very "comic booky".

This is, however, established on the "radioactive moment". I accepted it, as a viewer, and enjoyed the ride!

Two different approaches, I believe. (Raiders/Indy 4)
 
Just got back from finally seeing it, and all I can say is...

I want my $9.50 back.

I tried to like it, I really did, but it was just so... flawed.

On top of all the bad cinematography and techno-crutches there is a big problem with the acting. There are scenes where Harrison Ford is definitely Indy, and there are scenes where he's just not. Same with Karen Allen. Of course these things are not shot in order so the poor acting is peppered throughout the film.

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THE BIGGEST PROBLEM:

Raiders didn't ask you to suspend reality, it brought you into the reality of the movie, slowly. It only went supernatural at the very end when you were so committed to the characters and story that it was OK to do so. (Overlooking the lazer show in the Well of Souls.) Ditto with II and III.

The opening sequence of Skull is so improbable as to be absurd. No one could survive being shot 5 miles in a refrigerator. 30 Minutes after that hes doing the Vulcan mind meld with the CS and there is still so much more movie to go yet. Every time I tried to get into the movie it would pop me back out again.

Calling it OK is being generous. I must be wrong though, it's getting Bs from the critics and audiences.

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Bob Gruen said:
Did anyone notice that it opened with American Graffiti and ended with Close Encounters?
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I'm sorry but you're wrong... the very opening sequence left me as the only one standing and cheering that Lucas was re-making Caddy Shack!... then I quickly sat down... "sh*t... this is the movie starting..."
 
MattinSTL said:
I'm sorry but you're wrong... the very opening sequence left me as the only one standing and cheering that there would be a new Caddy Shack coming out... then I sat down quickly once I realized "sh*t... this is the movie starting..."
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LMAO!! :grin:

Sigh.... I just want to forget this movie.
 
Erik Olson said:
Why didn't they just grab the Ark? The Raiders mythology would suggest that that artifact had all the power that the Reds could have needed - and then some. Talk about a bird in the hand.

Since Jones was so eager to help them, he should have pointed it out instead of simply running past it. Or was his "helping" just a clever ploy to get away? Hmm.... Clever George Lucas.

Clever, cheeky son of a *****.

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They didn't know.

And he didn't know.

(that It was there)

But the whole thing is stupid, I agree.
 
True. I still don't understand what happened to the rest of the US Army that would have been stationed at Area 51.

Did two squads of soldiers really overtake an entire US installation? It is almost the most improbable aspect of the movie - that... and the rest of the movie.

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Erik Olson said:
True. I still don't understand what happened to the rest of the US Army that would have been stationed at Area 51.

Did two squads of soldiers really overtake an entire US installation? It is almost the most improbable aspect of the movie - that... and the rest of the movie.

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Yeah, absolutely unbelievable.

Even if they manage to get in somehow, in the next 30 seconds there would have been (at least) - jets bombing the place to pieces.

Stupid.

The fun was there, but I'm sad to think that they made this movie with the only goal to make profit.

Which is also stupid cause if they had made something closer to the level of Raiders, they would have made a bigger profit than what they make now.

~500 mln. is not exactly groundbreaking, especially if you've spent 200 mln. for the production.

If they had made a really good film, they could have hit the billion.

The world needs a new, modern Raiders, me thinks...
 
By "modern" I don't mean CGI, stupid stunts, etc.

More like: achieving the same feel (which you're talking about) today.

And giving today's audience the experience that Raiders gave to the audience of 1981 and the 80s.


EDIT: Contemporary is the word, not modern.

We need a contemporary Raiders. :)
 
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Me too. :(

If they don't give me Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, the way I want it,...

I will declare a strike and protest in front of the US embassy. :)
 
David Jimerson said:
That would be quite welcome, yes. Been a long, long time since I've been blown out of my seat in a theater.
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I agree Dave (Damn 1983)

I will probably get some flack for this, but the last time I was left blown away and stoked after walking out of a theatre was 2004's Dawn of the Dead.

Not the greatest film ever of course, but purely satisfying my popcorn craving on elevated levels.

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I think the last time I was truly blown away was the Matrix. But I had no idea what it was about going in. I mean, I knew NOTHING. So when I sat there, I could not believe what I was seeing. That might be the last time...No Country blew me away, but in a different way, I guess. I sat there in awe, which is a different kind of blown away.
 
Yeah, The Matrix really did it.

The first 15-20 min. I was like "WTF?!".. but by the end I was like "OMG !" :).

No comment for the sequels.
 
Might have been The Matrix for me, too. Sad. Been a long decade since.

Oh, sure, there have been movies I've liked. Heck, I liked Iron Man just recently. I was satisfied. But not blown away.

Sadly, prior to The Matrix, it may have been Jurassic Park. Slim Pickens, indeed.
 
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