Is the HPX500 noticeably sharper than the HVX200??
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Cees Mutsaers
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Do you think that the Miller solo 1505 (carbon fiber) with Sachtler Video 15 SB are sturdy enough or do I need a tripod of the type Sachtler Eng 2 CF which has a mid-spreader ??? I would like to have the Miller since it is more portable and the maximum height is much larger (aldo the last will probably not increase the sturdiness when using an extender).
I actually don't have any first-hand experience with the Miller, but I would think that spreaders would be essential as it will reduce twist and add stability.
I use the Vinten 8 series tripod and head, and although it's pretty sturdy, I wish it had a little more beef to it when using the 2X converter.
I use the Vinten 8 series tripod and head, and although it's pretty sturdy, I wish it had a little more beef to it when using the 2X converter.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
I used the 15SB with the 500 and it is the perfect size.
That being said I've been looking at the Cartoni Deltas recently.
Cees Mutsaers
Veteran
Yes someone with first hand experience :2vrolijk_08: Is the video 15SB also the perfect size when using the 500 in combination with a matbox, external lcd or is it too light and you need a bigger fluid head? Which tripod do you use? Which lens do you have and what is your experience with the extender at least if you have one.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
It was a rental, the tripod was the Sachtler 15SB with midlevel spreader and CF sticks. No Matte box, no external lcd, although it was my feeling it could take both no problem. It had a nice Canon 17x (non cac) lens with 2x. Solid as hell even with the 2x on.
Indywannabe
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B&H has the 500 on sale for $9,999 and there is a $2,000 rebate.
To go back to the initial statement and the comparison pics, I have to throw in something for the HVX200. It is definitely not as bad as in the first two comparison shots - these look horrible, something must be wrong with that camera!
The two screenshots I'm attaching are from a short I recently DP'd with a stock HVX200. They were taken from the 720/25P raw material as is and compressed to jpeg, then compressed to jpeg again for the upload...
Both were shot in cine V with detail at -2 !!
As we were pretty much guerilla shooting most of the time the focussing was controlled only with the HVX's internal viewfinder and the Focus Assist.
I think these do more justice to the capabilities of the HVX200 than the initial screenshots of what I think must be a flawed camera! I agree my first shot doesn't look that sharp either, but look at the settings: full tele, iris wide open, detail -2, compressed to jpeg from jpeg source. All of these factors counteract maximum sharpness, and still it only looks soft rather than ugly-blurry.
Settings as far as I can remember:
Shot 1: Full tele, iris wide open, master ped. -5, detail -2
Shot 2: Can't remember focal length or f-stop, master ped. was -15, detail -2
The two screenshots I'm attaching are from a short I recently DP'd with a stock HVX200. They were taken from the 720/25P raw material as is and compressed to jpeg, then compressed to jpeg again for the upload...
Both were shot in cine V with detail at -2 !!
As we were pretty much guerilla shooting most of the time the focussing was controlled only with the HVX's internal viewfinder and the Focus Assist.
I think these do more justice to the capabilities of the HVX200 than the initial screenshots of what I think must be a flawed camera! I agree my first shot doesn't look that sharp either, but look at the settings: full tele, iris wide open, detail -2, compressed to jpeg from jpeg source. All of these factors counteract maximum sharpness, and still it only looks soft rather than ugly-blurry.
Settings as far as I can remember:
Shot 1: Full tele, iris wide open, master ped. -5, detail -2
Shot 2: Can't remember focal length or f-stop, master ped. was -15, detail -2
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Matt Sconce
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Why HPX over REDOne? If you have the cash, get the Red. Just shot with it...love it.
FBAS
The images you reference look even softer to me than the bicycle shot.
The lighting CONTRAST and image SIZE make a huge difference in APPARENT resolution.
I was so hot to get an HVX200 until I saw the images on an HD monitor along side of Varicam footage. Ever since that day, I've considered the HVX200 the best PAL definition camera on the market. I came to realize that I would have bought it right there and then if Panasonic didn't have the Varicam footage to compare the images to each other. With motion or hand held shooting, I would imagine there be virtually no discernible difference between the cameras.
The images you reference look even softer to me than the bicycle shot.
The lighting CONTRAST and image SIZE make a huge difference in APPARENT resolution.
I was so hot to get an HVX200 until I saw the images on an HD monitor along side of Varicam footage. Ever since that day, I've considered the HVX200 the best PAL definition camera on the market. I came to realize that I would have bought it right there and then if Panasonic didn't have the Varicam footage to compare the images to each other. With motion or hand held shooting, I would imagine there be virtually no discernible difference between the cameras.
tommetass
Well-known member
I just wondered this myself..
I mean.. I haven't seen anything more sharp than REDone footage..
HVX200 vs RED = dirt vs gold..
HPX500 vs RED = a lot less dirt, but still dirt vs gold...
But I guess... it comes down to what you need it for..
The HPX probably works like an all-around camera, television and film, but REDone is just a film camera..
Oh sweet RED.. if only I had the money...
alexdias
Well-known member
Tom,
You are making very suspicious comparisons here.
First of all the HVX can hardly be called dirty (even with the noise issue) for the price.
Second the 500 is an amazing system for the price and it has been used all over for very serious professional situations.
And the RED One is anything but "just a film camera".
If you want some help figuring out the difference between these cameras and the the RED One you'll definitely find here. But make sure to research and do your homework first.
You are making very suspicious comparisons here.
First of all the HVX can hardly be called dirty (even with the noise issue) for the price.
Second the 500 is an amazing system for the price and it has been used all over for very serious professional situations.
And the RED One is anything but "just a film camera".
If you want some help figuring out the difference between these cameras and the the RED One you'll definitely find here. But make sure to research and do your homework first.
not to mention you haven even touched, data storage and editing... and monitoring, maintenece, camera support and luxuries....
Hunter Hampton
Carbonite Member
I got into my Red for less than 25K, with batteries, cards, lenses, monitoring and support.
Hunter Hampton
Carbonite Member
I have a growing FD prime lens set (I can also put any nikon, leica, ect mount on my camera as well). I rent PL mount glass when I need it. (cleint's expense)
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smelni
Veteran
how is that possible - it cant be with HD lenses. good support starts at 4K. what gear is on this list?
Hunter Hampton
Carbonite Member
Well its pretty close to 25K...I allready had a mattebox and 15mm rail plates supports/Handgrips.
Red Body $17500
Red LCD 5.6" and arm/cable $1700
CF Module $500
Power pack $1450
batteryplate $175
custom battery mount $16
top mount $250
Top Handle $150
3x CF Cards $600
1 extra Red battery (3 total) $450
Canon FD mount (from Muse Electronics) $450
Starter set of Canon FD primes (used):
20mm f2.8 $200
35 f2 $175
50mm f1.2 $250
85 f1.8 $200
135 f2 $300
Oconnor 50D with Aluminum sticks $660 Used (Actually its a really good head, you just have to make sure you are getting a "good" one with no leaks as they are about 15+ years old)
= $25026
Surprisingly, good SLR glass is a step above most of the "affordable" cine lenes out there. I just got done testing with Ryan Walters a set of nikon ZF primes vs Zeiss superspeed MK3's (an $1800 set of lenses vs a $30,000 set of lenses). Guess which produced a "better" image? You will be surprised to see the results of that test soon when Ryan finishes the write up.
Anyways, as you can see, it is easy to get started with Red for around $25,000 (you could even get less than what I got) I just rent glass at the request of clients and what ever else someone might want. I am of course adding more lenses (14mm,24mm,200mm,300mm), a dual wheel followfocus and an EVF later, but for now, I have a completely capable system.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, I also allready had a 19" Monitor($175) and and HDMI to dvi Cable ($25). I made a light stand adapter for the LCD and I can use it on set. (Ans the Red sends out menus, exposure tools, and monitoring calibration tools strait out of the hdmi)
Red Body $17500
Red LCD 5.6" and arm/cable $1700
CF Module $500
Power pack $1450
batteryplate $175
custom battery mount $16
top mount $250
Top Handle $150
3x CF Cards $600
1 extra Red battery (3 total) $450
Canon FD mount (from Muse Electronics) $450
Starter set of Canon FD primes (used):
20mm f2.8 $200
35 f2 $175
50mm f1.2 $250
85 f1.8 $200
135 f2 $300
Oconnor 50D with Aluminum sticks $660 Used (Actually its a really good head, you just have to make sure you are getting a "good" one with no leaks as they are about 15+ years old)
= $25026
Surprisingly, good SLR glass is a step above most of the "affordable" cine lenes out there. I just got done testing with Ryan Walters a set of nikon ZF primes vs Zeiss superspeed MK3's (an $1800 set of lenses vs a $30,000 set of lenses). Guess which produced a "better" image? You will be surprised to see the results of that test soon when Ryan finishes the write up.
Anyways, as you can see, it is easy to get started with Red for around $25,000 (you could even get less than what I got) I just rent glass at the request of clients and what ever else someone might want. I am of course adding more lenses (14mm,24mm,200mm,300mm), a dual wheel followfocus and an EVF later, but for now, I have a completely capable system.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, I also allready had a 19" Monitor($175) and and HDMI to dvi Cable ($25). I made a light stand adapter for the LCD and I can use it on set. (Ans the Red sends out menus, exposure tools, and monitoring calibration tools strait out of the hdmi)
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hunter
Any breathing or follow focus issues with still camera lenses on the RED?
Have you tested fast action on green screen? I am very concerned about the rolling shutter issues. I just tested the EX1 and I really love the image except for the skewing (rolling shutter) problems I saw on my tests. I have not yet tested the RED though.
Any breathing or follow focus issues with still camera lenses on the RED?
Have you tested fast action on green screen? I am very concerned about the rolling shutter issues. I just tested the EX1 and I really love the image except for the skewing (rolling shutter) problems I saw on my tests. I have not yet tested the RED though.