RED NAB NEWS THREAD: Scarlet pics are up

Luis Caffesse said:
True.
But I've seen little RED or EX-1 (and now EX-3) footage that I would find unacceptable.
In fact, it's all been pretty damn impressive.
Personally I think that issue has been a bit overblown.

What does cause me a bit of pause the more I look over the pics and specs is the total lack of audio details. Coupled with the unbelievable price of "under $3K" it makes me wonder if we're looking at a video only camera here. Would seem to go against the idea of a 'pocket camera' - but RED doesn't really seem to be aiming for the industrial/ENG market. Maybe their thought is to go for the ultra low budget indie market and expect people to use dual system sound?

God I hope not.
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Nah, surely they'll throw a single mini-XLR input into this thing at least.

Info on audio does get short shrift though doesn't it.
 
sean90291 said:
I wouldn't count on it. Just because the LCD is listed there, doesn't mean it's included in the price. We're obviously piecing things together from the first, frantic announcements. And the camera won't even be released for a year or more.

But the LCD pictured is the Red LCD, which costs like $1700. And a Red Arm which costs something like $300 or $400. It's hard to imagine those items would be included in the Scarlet's $3K price. Red is a modular camera company. They also want Red One owners to buy these things, and REd One owners will already have a Red LCD. So you'll just buy a new Scarlet camera body for $3K.

This is all guessing still. But the modular model is definitely how Red has structured their business model.
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Indeed. I really think you nailed it, Sean. 3,000 for the body and then you need to get the rest of the accessories. But, in the end, it still rocks the house.

One thing about the HPX500 is it's size once it's built out. Scarlet is 2/3" and it's tiny.
 
Kholi said:
Indeed. I really think you nailed it, Sean. 3,000 for the body and then you need to get the rest of the accessories. But, in the end, it still rocks the house.

One thing about the HPX500 is it's size once it's built out. Scarlet is 2/3" and it's tiny.
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True - the HPX is also a 3 chip and Scarlet is a 1 chip cam.
Which also makes me wonder - what kind of noise/low light performance can we expect from a 2/3" chip cramed with 3K worth of pixels?

Guess we'll find out in 2009
 
hmmmm.... as far as I can see, there is no kind of display on the body at all.

Maybe the settings are so simple that you don´t need a menue, but if there is a menue I wonder if you have to get a monitor or if it is in the package?

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
hmmmm.... as far as I can see, there is no kind of display on the body at all.

Maybe the settings are so simple that you don´t need a menue, but if there is a menue I wonder if you have to get a monitor or if it is in the package?

Frank
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remember it's a prototype. There might be an additional screen on the back Similar to the RED ONE in the final model.
 
Erik Olson said:
I still think it's a bit disingenuous to say that you can have a professionally equipped REDOne for even $25k.

We are in the midst of having our leasing company work up our numbers for the fall CAP-EX and a single REDOne package is sitting at $50k without third-party glass. I will be happy to post the full package specification if anyone has any doubt about what constitutes a "professional" specification.

Therefore, a comparably realized Epic package can only rightly be had for $70k with RED glass. The Epic is, so far, advertised as the defacto replacement for the One. Is the One even out of "beta" release yet?

The 2/3" 3k for $3k price point is amazing if it is true.

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I would like to see what the package consists of at 50k.

25k is "yes you can shoot"... it's more like "yes you can shoot... if you try REALLY hard.".
 
how fast are these suckers and what's their DR.
then i'll be interested.

Do you think current 35mm adapters will show grain at 3k?

how soon do you think someone will try to hack off that fixed lens? :P
 
More than two CF cards for starters. :)

REDOne Body
CF Module
Bolt Set (2)
Body Cap
Lens Rear Cap (2)
18-50 T3
50-150 T3
EVF
LCD
EVF Cable (2)
LCD Cable (2)
Power Pack
Batts (6)
CF Card (8)
Batt Plate
Quck Plate
Bottom Plate
Shoulder Dovetail
Cheese Plate
Top Handle
Top Mount
Handle Mount
Handle L/R
Universal Mount
Arm 9" (1)
Arm 5" (1)
Side Handle (2)
Top Handle Ext.
Arri 19mm Base
Arri 15mm Base
6" Rods
12" Rods
18" Rods

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Erik Olson said:
More than two CF cards for starters. :)

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You can put together a package to get shooting with more than two CF cards and a Nikon mount for much less than what you're talkin' about.

Please, keep in mind we're talking camera only. Not support. Assuming that you barely have money for the camera alone, you'd be renting support, etc.

It's less false and more optimistic that 25k can get you shooting RED ONE if you're shooting for people who can afford to rent camera support, etc.
 
If the specs that Red has up for Scarlet so far show an 8X Red zoom lens as part of the camera how in the world you are figuring a body only price. The lens apparently is going to be glued or something to the camera. Don’t knock yourself over the head and wait a few more minutes for full details.
 
You really have to wonder why EPIC was born, though. 4k's already overkill, 5k's pretty much destroying the universe. Wonder what else it does outside of 5k that'll make it worth the 40k price-tag over RED ONE.
 
Postmaster said:
hmmmm.... as far as I can see, there is no kind of display on the body at all.

Maybe the settings are so simple that you don´t need a menue, but if there is a menue I wonder if you have to get a monitor or if it is in the package?

Frank
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Well that's always the catch with RED. 3k would be the body+lens only, then you would need to buy accessories such as a display, to make it fully functional. It's probably going to be shy of 8-10k once you get all the stuff that's really needed. Same as the RED one, once you add all the things you need the camere jump from 17k to 40-50K.

I think the Scarlet could become the true Indie camera that RED one was meant to be if they can keep it under or around the 10k range including all the accesories you would need.
 
I'd love to hear someone who is at the show pipe up in this thread with a confirmation one way or the other about on board audio with the Scarlet.

Then again, it's kind of a moot point right now I suppose.
You know what they say at RED,
"SPECIFICATIONS, DELIVERY DATES AND DESIGN ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE... COUNT ON IT."
 
SomewhereinLA said:
Well that's always the catch with RED. 3k would be the body+lens only, then you would need to buy accessories such as a display, to make it fully functional. It's probably going to be shy of 8-10k once you get all the stuff that's really needed. Same as the RED one, once you add all the things you need the camere jump from 17k to 40-50K.

I think the Scarlet could become the true Indie camera that RED one was meant to be if they can keep it under or around the 10k range including all the accesories you would need.
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I know this is subject of some debate, but I wish people would stop sayin' you need to spend $40K to have a working Red One. You don't. We spent $25K and our Red One is working full swing. If you're Soderbergh, you CAN spend $50K. You don't have to. Sorry, I've digressed from the exciting NAB news.
 
Kholi said:
You really have to wonder why EPIC was born, though. 4k's already overkill, 5k's pretty much destroying the universe. Wonder what else it does outside of 5k that'll make it worth the 40k price-tag over RED ONE.
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Mostly likely tungsten balanced, thats something pro DPs having been screaming for, and at 5K, you'll get better resolution because 4K bayer really isn't 4K, and lots of people speculate that Redcode is making 2K images and upressing.... there have been some interesting test done on this.

And maybe they will bring back the RAW PORT option... please!!!!!
 
Yeah, but keep in mind Redcode is an ever changing compression scheme, so that could have just been an older version.
 
sean90291 said:
I know this is subject of some debate, but I wish people would stop sayin' you need to spend $40K to have a working Red One. You don't. We spent $25K and our Red One is working full swing. If you're Soderbergh, you CAN spend $50K. You don't have to. Sorry, I've digressed from the exciting NAB news.
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I would love to know what you set-up is, unless you rent all your lenses I just don't know how you can get to under 25k, sorry... Maybe another thread...
 
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