RED NAB NEWS THREAD: Scarlet pics are up

Kholi said:
That's what I thought. And remember that's just the body. So if you use RED ONE purchases as an example, being that a RED ONE costs 17.5k and the least you could spend for a viable, useable camera (nikon mount) is 25k, I'd say that the expense for an EPIC goes to 55k land easily.

For a lot of people that own RED ONE's, going 25k meant sacrificing everything they owned. I'd say RED ONE is well protected
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Except that if you already have Red One and accessories and equipment, they're supposedly going to be compatible with Epic (at this point). So in theory, you are simply upgrading your Red camera body to the tune of $22,500.
 
Matthew R. Rodwell said:
Still would like to know about audio and the Scarlet.
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I wonder if they'll even comment on the Audio. I'm sure they WILL but RED ONE just got Audio itself and it's not the smoothest thing on the planet, by any means. That's going to be an issue that needs immediate addressing and fixing in RED ONE before people can count on it being an integral part (and by integral, I mean RELIABLE) of Scarlet's machine.

I wouldn't expect this camera to require you have some sort of external audio setup going at all times.

And running audio to an HVX200 while shooting RED ONE is a PAIN.
 
sean90291 said:
Except that if you already have Red One and accessories and equipment, they're supposedly going to be compatible with Epic (at this point). So in theory, you are simply upgrading your Red camera body to the tune of $22,500.
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Absolutely. You're not wrong about that, which is an awesome deal for owners of RED ONE who want to go 5k AKA Take over the Universe. If you're not an owner, then your expenses incurred will probably it 55k or more. There are NUMEROUS RED ONE packages that have exceeded the 80k dollar mark.

Optimo's are no joke! :D Hehe
 
Kholi said:
To be fair, Panasonic calls the HVX a 1080p Camera. Although it arrives to that point through a not-so-straightforward path... we still consider it 1080p yes?
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Absolutely.
I think you misunderstood - my point was only to ask, sincerely, how much the actual res was after filtering of the 3K sensor. Just curious - not trying to bash the specs or anything.

Hell, I'm the first to point out the low pixel count on the HVX - yet the image looks great to me, and that's all I care about.

So yeah, technically it's a 3K camera (or it's going to be), just like the RED One is technically a 4K camera, and the HVX is a 1080P camera....but you know as well as I do that that bayer filter is wiping out a percentage of that res.
I was just asking how much. I know it's been mentioned on here before - is it as much as a third? Or is it less than that?

I mean to realistically compare these specs against other manufactures cameras - I think it's a fair question to ask. Especially seeing as they went the single larger sensor route as opposed to 3 chip route (which I appreciate, I've been wanting to see an affordabel single sensor, larger sensor cam for a while).
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Absolutely.
I think you misunderstood - my point was only to ask, sincerely, how much the actual res was after filtering of the 3K sensor. Just curious - not trying to bash the specs or anything.

Hell, I'm the first to point out the low pixel count on the HVX - yet the image looks great to me, and that's all I care about.

So yeah, technically it's a 3K camera (or it's going to be), just like the RED One is technically a 4K camera, and the HVX is a 1080P camera....but you know as well as I do that that bayer filter is wiping out a percentage of that res.
I was just asking how much. I know it's been mentioned on here before - is it as much as a third? Or is it less than that.

I mean to realistically compare these specs against other manufactures cameras - I think it's a fair question to ask. Especially seeing as they went the single larger sensor route as opposed to 3 chip route (which I appreciate, I've been wanting to see an affordabel single sensor, larger sensor cam for a while).
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Oh! I did misunderstand (but didn't htink you were bashing it). You're probably correct on what it wilL REALLY be. It'll be interesting to see how the specs really roll out indeed.

I'm with you. This is pretty nice. It's definitely NOT what I expected at all from these guys. And, it's still not an HVX Killer which is pretty weird.

I mean, in all right just hearing "3K RAW" should mean bye bye HVX/HPX EX-1 etc. But, it's not.

Even with the fixed lens the application is still not universal. The one thing that could kill sales is if this rumored $3,000.00 Price tag is real. THEN we've got some trouble. I foresee many people being beaten up in line to get one.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Absolutely.
I think you misunderstood - my point was only to ask, sincerely, how much the actual res was after filtering of the 3K sensor. Just curious - not trying to bash the specs or anything.
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Actual res of bayer sensors is supposedly calculated at .75 x 3K = 2,250

So still over a 2K camera. For $3000! EX1, HVX, how can they survive?
 
LOL. But I wouldn't put it past them. If they went fixed lens they'd have to know that 35mm Adapters are gonna be jammed on the end of this thing. One would hope they've got a flipped option.

Oh, and I bet that On-board LCD is high res!!! The RED ONE LCD is incredibly sharp, man. Although the viewing angle is atrocious, for a one-man show it's the sickest LCD you could possibly have.

It weighs next to nothing!
 
The way I bet it works is you'd have to buy Red accessories. That's how it's gone with Red One. So the CAMERA BODY could be $3000. But you'd have to buy Red CF cards. Red cables. Red LCD. You can bet it's $3000 WITHOUT an LCD. And without a handle too. ;-)
 
sean90291 said:
Actual res of bayer sensors is supposedly calculated at .75 x 3K = 2,250

So still over a 2K camera. For $3000! EX1, HVX, how can they survive?
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If that camera is 3k then everyone's gonna be in a heap of trouble. That bein' said, there will always be a market for these other cameras if RED continues the non-conventional RAW method.

Let's face it: handing Raw material to a paying client won't fly in most situations. So, they'll survive on what they were made for and what Panasonic (and Sony) has built for their post workflow; Panasonic more-so than Sony.

Kinda hard to deny Panasonic's DVCproHD workflow. It really is a beauty.
 
My big question is what will scarlets image quality be....

Everyoneone knows the HVX version of DVCPRO HD wasn't the same thing the Varicam used...

I'm still a bit skeptical about what "flavor" Redcode Scarlet will use.
 
sean90291 said:
Actual res of bayer sensors is supposedly calculated at .75 x 3K = 2,250

So still over a 2K camera. For $3000! EX1, HVX, how can they survive?
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Damn, that would be some nice res to have.
As far as the EX1 & HVX - I still think they'll be just fine.

How will they survive?
Established names, established workflows, integrated into established NLE's and postproduction paths. Large networks aren't going to jump on the Scarlet.
For those companies who have already invested in Cine Altas, HD XDcams, Varicams and HPX's - these smaller counterparts just make more sense to use as B cameras.
Throw a Scarlet or RED One or Epic into that flow and the whole workflow changes.

Give it years, and maybe things will change.
But right now RED is still very much the bleeding edge - and most companies aren't about to take that kind of risk on their gear. They need something established, solid, and universally accepted.
 
Kholi said:
If that camera is 3k then everyone's gonna be in a heap of trouble. That bein' said, there will always be a market for these other cameras if RED continues the non-conventional RAW method.

Let's face it: handing Raw material to a paying client won't fly in most situations. So, they'll survive on what they were made for and what Panasonic (and Sony) has built for their post workflow; Panasonic more-so than Sony.

Kinda hard to deny Panasonic's DVCproHD workflow. It really is a beauty.
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It's soooo easy to add an in-camera look or curve. If that's the only thing that will hold back the Scarlet, it will be a simple MENU>LOOK>ON function.
 
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