filmguy123
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Nope just remember that when I was researching buying an HVX back when, when P2 was new. Don't think it was a official policy, but whether this is accurate or not - Barry would know.
64GB-P2 announced... so WHEN will prices of 32GB etc. drop?
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Nope just remember that when I was researching buying an HVX back when, when P2 was new. Don't think it was a official policy, but whether this is accurate or not - Barry would know.
Barry_Green
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Never heard anything like that. And it doesn't necessarily jibe with the evidence; the 8GB card was $1200 the day before the 16 was announced, and the 16 was announced at $300 LESS than the 8GB.
With that said, we expect that Moore's law will hold true, and prices will fall in half and capacities double every year. The cards have gone from $900/GB down to $50/GB, and in April I expect a significant drop again. But we'll see if that happens.
With that said, we expect that Moore's law will hold true, and prices will fall in half and capacities double every year. The cards have gone from $900/GB down to $50/GB, and in April I expect a significant drop again. But we'll see if that happens.
That's what I remember too.... and so I GUESS the street-price of 1500 USD for the 64GB-card.
I think I heard about 2 years ago about this price politics and the new cards were never too far from the price of the "old" ones, so why should it be more than 1800 USD (street price 1500 USD) ? - There are reasons why it even could be LESS than 1800 USD: alternative producers, Sony's Express Cards, alternative Express Cards that make the prices drop for Sony's Express Cards...
I don't think any of these points will make a huge price drop, but I think at least it makes the prices not growing and perhaps or probably pushes them a little down....
Besides, I wouldn't calculate per GB, as this doesn't work for HDDs, PCs, etc. that double capacity / productivity once in a while... and always cost about the same for their range for decades... (e.g. high-end PC). And for P2 the price also didn't change a lot per new card, but always did exponentially per GB...
Barry_Green
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Sony's Express Cards are priced exactly the same as Panasonic's P2 cards. And Sony's alternative producer, SanDisk, has priced their cards exactly the same as Sony's. So don't expect a lot of price pressure coming from there.
Besides, the P2 cards have gone from $900 per gigabyte down to $50 per gigabyte even without any competition.
Besides, the P2 cards have gone from $900 per gigabyte down to $50 per gigabyte even without any competition.
So did the price per GB for VHS cassettes, CDs, DVDs, RAM, SD cards - that's why I wouldn't calculate in price per GB. It's just the normal evolution: my PC is X-times faster than my Commodore C64 is.... for the same price... It would rather be uncommon if the 64GB card would cost 3000 USD and so the price per GB would stay the same...
Concerning the capacity of cards you just come to twice of the capacity for each generation. That's 32 times more for the 64GB card than it was for the 2GB card - and again it's normal that the 64GB card won't cost 32 times more than the 2GB card did..... that would be normal if they came out the same day....
I remember paying $800 for a 1 - Gigabyte VHS tape.
What are you referring to?
I remember paying $800 for a 1 - Gigabyte VHS tape.
What are you referring to?
And I remember paying around 18 USD in the 80ies for a 180 minutes VHS tape - and ten years ago, I could get a 240 minutes tape for 1 USD...
And my first DVD-R cost about 30 USD.... today I pay 1,5 for the same DVD-R (still Panasonic DVD-R from Taiyo Yuden factory).
The price per GB for recording-media has always come down - with or without competition.
And I still don't remember where I heard the price politics for P2-cards, that the price for the newest generation would always be about the same....... do you, filmguy? - Was it in an early P2-brochure?
filmguy123
Veteran
Don't remember, but I'm glad someone else remembers that too!
rogar-BigGrin(DBG)Barry_Green
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Okay, but cici - what's your point? The prices are already coming down. Whether Sony or anyone else comes out with the exact-same-priced product, it doesn't matter -- the prices are what they are, and they're coming down already, so -- I don't get where the disconnect is?
It's just that I see P2-users beeing more concerned what ONE CARD costs, than one GB....
And it's a good idea to calculate the price per GB that we had years ago for the 2GB card and today for the 64GB card, but I think the main focus has always been the price per card and not per GB: some people were looking for cheap cards of ancient generations (e.g. 4GB continued til today) - not only because 4GB just fit on 1 DVD, but also because it's a cheap card.... if the price for four 4GB cards was the same as for one 16GB and both were on the market, many users would prefer four 4GB cards, even if the price per GB is the same...
That's my point. Any calculation is interesting for itself, but actually I think people want to speculate for the price for one 64GB card and not how many % the price per GB will come down with the 64GB card.
There are politics around the price of a card. So for me, it's interesting, to see, whether the 64GB card will cost
a) the same as the 32GB card did (that would of course NOT be a coincidence, but pure politics...)
b) more than the 32GB card did (that's possible due weak dollar price and cards from Japan... - or perhaps the 64GB card has an update of any kind that costs more.... etc. etc. - that would be the politics that we would neither like, nor expect after the free 8GB promotion and other "gifts" from Panasonic....)
c) less than the 32GB card did - that's what we hope for and it's even possible because of many, many reasons and we all know that it's just up to Panasonic to decide and it's only "virtual" calculations following politic rules.
Nevertheless it's also interesting to calculate other numbers as price per GB, but also the months that have been between two generations of cards, or the relative difference between SD card prices (per GB) and P2 cards (per GB) to see, how parallel or not this market develops, as we know, there's a part of SD technology in each P2 card...
I conclude with my (old) guess of 1500 USD as a streetprice for the 64GB card about 4 weeks after its appearance on the market. Pure speculation. Like any other pure speculation for NAB called HVX220.
And it's a good idea to calculate the price per GB that we had years ago for the 2GB card and today for the 64GB card, but I think the main focus has always been the price per card and not per GB: some people were looking for cheap cards of ancient generations (e.g. 4GB continued til today) - not only because 4GB just fit on 1 DVD, but also because it's a cheap card.... if the price for four 4GB cards was the same as for one 16GB and both were on the market, many users would prefer four 4GB cards, even if the price per GB is the same...
That's my point. Any calculation is interesting for itself, but actually I think people want to speculate for the price for one 64GB card and not how many % the price per GB will come down with the 64GB card.
There are politics around the price of a card. So for me, it's interesting, to see, whether the 64GB card will cost
a) the same as the 32GB card did (that would of course NOT be a coincidence, but pure politics...)
b) more than the 32GB card did (that's possible due weak dollar price and cards from Japan... - or perhaps the 64GB card has an update of any kind that costs more.... etc. etc. - that would be the politics that we would neither like, nor expect after the free 8GB promotion and other "gifts" from Panasonic....)
c) less than the 32GB card did - that's what we hope for and it's even possible because of many, many reasons and we all know that it's just up to Panasonic to decide and it's only "virtual" calculations following politic rules.
Nevertheless it's also interesting to calculate other numbers as price per GB, but also the months that have been between two generations of cards, or the relative difference between SD card prices (per GB) and P2 cards (per GB) to see, how parallel or not this market develops, as we know, there's a part of SD technology in each P2 card...
I conclude with my (old) guess of 1500 USD as a streetprice for the 64GB card about 4 weeks after its appearance on the market. Pure speculation. Like any other pure speculation for NAB called HVX220.