How do I set the HVX to shoot 1080p?

Ah, yes, a little frustration eking out... :)

I mean that while FCP doesn't support everything about P2 as well as other editors do (no native MXF files, no exporting to an MXF file, etc) it can strip out 24pA pulldown on the fly, so if the editor with the least native support can do it, then certainly there's no justification for saying that there's an extra step involved!
 
I've heard that Avid is the only NLE that can put different video formats on the same timeline without any conversion. Is this true or just their marketing hype?
 
Vegas has allowed you to put *any* format on the timeline for over four years now. You can put HD, and SD, and PAL, and NTSC, and 24P, and 30P, and 50i and 60i and animated .GIFs and Flash .SWF files and Photoshop PSD files all on the same timeline. You could put a 2fps .wmv and a 24fps .avi and a 59.94i .mov all on the same timeline. You could mix 4:3 and 16:9 and, well, if you had a 2.21:1 MPEG-2 file you could put that on there too. You could mix 720p and 1080p and 1080i, and if you had extended-definition 480/60p you could use that too.

The concept that Apple did something "revolutionary" with their "open timeline"? Poppycock. They got around to it three years after Vegas had it. And Avid? They can't even edit 1080/24p properly yet.
 
If that's supposed to be taken at face value, it's a bald-faced lie. Their "learn more" link wasn't any more clear as to what they mean.

I'm actually downloading the 5.8 upgrade now. If it doesn't represent a fundamental change in the way Avid works, then this is preposterous in two respects -- Barry points out that other software does it and has for years, and also . . . Avid doesn't do that. As of Xpress Pro 5.5/5.6, Avid transcodes everything to Quicktime and kicks a fit when you try to feed it anything that's not the resolution/timebase of the timeline.

In the words of Mr. Scott, "I'll let ye know."
 
dogman-x said:
I've heard that Avid is the only NLE that can put different video formats on the same timeline without any conversion.
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I'd give AVID a "Speedy" visit to NewTek's SpeedEDIT booth if they were even showing up at NAB.
Maybe this is why they couldn't show thier face because of claims like this. :)
 
I'm referring to the original question here...I've shot and edited '1080i 24p' no problem (elementary, yes)...When is the pulldown happening? Is it already pulling down when I'm playing it in the timeline? The DVD of my short film definitely looks '24p'. Is there a better way of treating this footage? Do I do something extra to the footage and cut it in a 23.98 timeline? DVD's are progressive (right?), but something makes me think that I'm cutting an interlaced product and then putting it to disc, which means I've downgraded the intention of the look before finishing it. Sorry if this is elementary by message board standards, but reading all of the arguments sometimes can make anyone second guess what they think they know...
 
If you've been using Avid, then yes that's what you've been doing. 1080/24p puts in 2:3 pulldown as the footage is recorded. You then edited in Avid on a 1080/60i timeline, which maintains the pulldown, and you probably then outputted a 480/60i final render, which again maintained the pulldown.

DVDs can be purely 24p progressive or they can be 59.94i interlaced; they support both.

Had you edited in, well, any editor other than Avid -- you could have used 1080/24pA, and cut everything on a purely progressive 1080/24p timeline. You then could have output a 480/24p master version in MPEG-2 format and authored that directly on the DVD. No interlacing whatsoever, just pure progressive all the way. You also would be able to fit 20% more footage on your disc, or use a higher-quality encode, because 24P footage takes up less space than 60i footage does.
 
I'm looking to get into HD and HVX/P2 seems the best in it's price range, but there are obviously issues with the NLE. I'm currently running an old version of Adobe Premiere Pro, so it looks like I'll to have buy new software for P2 compatibility anyway. Since there seems to be issues with Avid and 1080pa, what NLE software would you guys recommend for a Windows PC computer?
 
Best compatibility with P2 is Edius Broadcast. Second best is Premiere Pro CS3. Vegas with Raylight is the most cost-effective; brilliant with 720p, a few hiccups with 1080.
 
I've got both Edius Broadcast and Premiere Pro CS3 and I prefer Premiere Pro. Maybe it's just that I've been using Premiere longer but it seems to offer more depth in what it can accomplish as well as providing integrated high-end monitoring and capturing through OnLocation and sophisticated DVD/Blu-ray authoring with the included Encore.

Maybe it's just me, but I find it difficult at times to do things in Edius that I am used to doing in Premiere.
 
I've been using with FCP and it's quite a good fit.
Of course that's the case if you are running on a Mac.
 
ok so i've done some test footage w/ 1080i/24p, what is the workflow for me to get 1080p footage out of it? so far i just loaded it in final cut, and i get bad interlacing and artifacting in my footage. do i just take off the 2:3:3:2 pulldown off it? or do i add? i am clueless on this, so if anybody can help me out, i'm really interested in getting 1080p out of the hvx.
 
xmephestox said:
ok so i've done some test footage w/ 1080i/24p, what is the workflow for me to get 1080p footage out of it?
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Do not shoot 1080/24p, Apple doesn't support removing that pulldown. Shoot 1080/24pA if you want to work with FCP.

With 1080/24pA, you just click the "remove duplicate frames upon import" checkbox, and when Apple ingests the footage it stores it on your hard disk as a pure straight 1080/24p file with no pulldown.
 
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