Composite to 1920 x 1200 LCD

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I assume this has been answered but I couldn't find it and I am a bit impatient to find out.

I just received my 24" Dell with 1920 x 1200 pixels... it is an amazing focusing monitor right off the bat but I don't think, well actually I hope, that I have don't have it properly set up... I am a bit afraid to find out actually but I don't know of anything else I could do other than setting the AV IN/OUT SETUP > COMPONENT OUT SELECT to the proper setting be it 480, 720 or 1080 depending on which I am using.

The problem is that I get the screen filled with the image... and it shouldn't... 1200 vertical should not be filled... needless to say I also have a cropped image on the left and the right of my frame... :crybaby: I am "zoomed in" to the middle of the frame to the point where the 1080 fills the 1200 vertical pixels... so I am missing a huge chunk on either side...

I would LOVE to be able to frame with this monitor! And that's what I expected when I eagerly placed the order...

I guess I shouldn't feel so bad since I will be able to edit 1080, but I... well, I am sure you guys understand how important this is for me...

Is there a way to get the image displayed pixel for pixel?
Does it involve additional hardware?
 
Ah. I think this is the thing that people talk about with the Dell's about it not being 1:1 like the Gateway 24" Monitor.

When I plug my component into my Gateway 22" I get 1:1 720 or 1:1 1080. The Dell, if I recall correctly, stretches the image for some reason. And I don't think you can rectify that.

Can anyone with a Dell confirm?

Gateway 24" = FPD2485W -- Awesome LCD, along with the FPD2275W which is the one I own. I am getting a 24" Very very soon to go with the 22".
 
Yeah that price is okay. Check your local Best Buy for an Open Box, though. otherwise, Circuit City is the cheapest in-store price around.

Ebay, on the other hand: 599.99 + 20 shipping.
 
I updated the link... found it at Amazon for $620 but it comes out to $650 with shipping and tax... Ebay... ? hummm....

What about the Samsung?
 
I dunno about the Samsung. I can't remember WHY I veered away but I did. I had been checking them all out before I dove in for the Gateway and I surely do not regret it.
 
I have two of those... I could check


actually.... it only has DVI inputs so I can't check... no composite to DVI cables here
 
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First, if you're sending composite to the monitor, you're going to have the most horrible picture on earth. Composite is completely the wrong signal to send; composite is a low-res standard-def signal. Hopefully you meant "component"; if you actually did mean "composite" then I recommend you stop using composite and switch to component.

Secondly, the Dell is set by default to stretch. Yes you can change it (at least on the 2405) to be pixel-for-pixel. On 1080 it'll leave a very thin black bar on the top and bottom; on 720 or 480 it actually displays a small window within the full monitor frame.

Third, the Dell's component inputs are complete trash and it makes for the single worst high-def monitor on the market, so don't look to it for *anything* other than simple framing.
 
There you have it. And I also assumed he meant Component as well. LOL

The Dell's not 1:1 though. The NEWEST version MIGHT be 1:1, the older ones are not. That's in 1080, by the way. It's 1:1 in 720.
 
Barry_Green said:
First, if you're sending composite to the monitor, you're going to have the most horrible picture on earth. Composite is completely the wrong signal to send; composite is a low-res standard-def signal. Hopefully you meant "component"; if you actually did mean "composite" then I recommend you stop using composite and switch to component.

Secondly, the Dell is set by default to stretch. Yes you can change it (at least on the 2405) to be pixel-for-pixel. On 1080 it'll leave a very thin black bar on the top and bottom; on 720 or 480 it actually displays a small window within the full monitor frame.

Third, the Dell's component inputs are complete trash and it makes for the single worst high-def monitor on the market, so don't look to it for *anything* other than simple framing.
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Ok, talking to Dell right now... shipping it back... how about the Gateway Barry? And is the Samsung worth taking a look at?
Ok, I set it up with the camera again, and now that you mention it I guess it doesn't look as good as i thought the first time I hooked it up... hummm...
Also i set it ti 1:1, it was in the menu, didn't think to look in there last night (but to my defense it was very late) what's weird is that I am getting the frame floating inside, like the small window you said i'd get for 720 and 480... this is startling since the horizontal rez of this monitor is 1920 which means I should not get black bars on the sides, then I tried "Aspect" instead of the 1:1 and I got closer to it but this time I cropped the sides, juuust a little... so neither 1:1 or Aspect show 1080 as it should... and 720 "might" be displayed correctly but there is no way of knowing or reason to trust or care if it does anymore...

Is this what you meant in your last post Kholi?

So Barry, Gateway is a go?
Anything about the Samsung?
 
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The Dell *is* 1:1, I've done it many times. The panel res is 1920x1200, but you can go into the Image Settings menu and choose Scaling; you'll have three choices which are:
a) 1:1, which is pixel-accurate pixel-for-pixel
2) Fill, which stretches the image to fill the entire screen, and
3) Aspect, which stretches the image to fill as much of the screen as it can, while still maintaining the source image's proper aspect ratio.

That's on the 2405. Don't know about any others.
 
The I have the 2407 wich behaves as I described above... but you said the actual inputs are terrible so between those two issues and the fact that I just found the Gateway for $645 shipped and taxed well, i already ordered it...

Dell will pay for shipping of their monitor back to them so I actually saved some money too...


Thank you Barry for the help you gave me
 
If I understand correctly Barry doesn't recommend using a Computer Monitor at all unless the input is thru DVI??

This is the chain I am thinking of for monitoring the HVX, I'm wondering why nobody has mentioned it...

HVX--> Composite to HD-SDI Convertor--->HD-SDI to DVI Convertor--->Apple Cinema 23" Display

AJA HD10AVA
(Component Video to SD/HD-SDI) [http://www.aja.com/html/products_converters_HD10AVA.html]
AJA HDP
(HD-SDI/SDI to DVI-D and Audio Converter)[http://www.aja.com/html/products_converters_HDP.html]


Barry, do you think this would work well??


Thanks,


Nadir
 
The component inputs on the cheap Dell 2405 computer monitor look absolutely horrible. The exact same footage, displayed from the computer through the monitor's DVI input, looks at least 10x better. Therefore, at least with the Dell, I say avoid the component inputs at all cost.

I don't know what the quality of the Apple Cinema Display's component connections are like (if it even has 'em? Don't know.) Might be just fine, although I'd doubt it; the monitor is a computer monitor, not a video monitor.

Your proposed workflow should work, but I have no way of guessing what the final image would look like, it just has to be tested.
 
I got the Gateway and it's image is very similar to the Apple Cinema Displays... however I got a second one and after researching I found that they changed some of the internals... looking at them side to side with a black background their blacks are horribly different... the new one shows up V-E-R-Y warm... and it is impossible to help it with it's controls... if you want a great deal and amazing image get an old used Gateway... mine's built date is January 2007 (found in a label on the monitor itself).

I originally bought the Dell, and when it arrived I searched and found Barry's post that blames the internals... so right. The LCD screen of the Dell and Gateway is the same as the Apples.... it all comes down to the rest at 24 inches.

The Apple 24's I've seen only had one DVI, and the power cord.
 
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I haven't seen it but it is one of the most populat monitors for comuters... no idea for video... but I do know it is the same LCD screen as the Apple, Gateway and Dell... it is all about the internals though

you could also build a box and yoke for it like I did for the Gatwway
 
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