Panasonic HDC-SD9: 1080/24p AVCHD camcorder

Well, the AVCHD stuff's comin. Maybe the next HVX-style offerin' from Canon or Pana's gonna be AVCHD? Let's cross our fingers.

2008's gonna be another good year for Cam releases.
 
How about an AVCHD only camera and a P2 only camera, both to go in the range right between the DVX100b and the HVX200?

- Mikko
 
Or one with the new Varicam-style digital back to switch between AVCHD and P2? Not sayin that's what it DOES.
 
And no rolling shutter! Hey, David S., this may be the B-cam you (and many of us) have been looking for...

... wonder if there's any manual controls?
 
Manual controls? Well, mostly every consumer Panasonic camcorder has apperture, shutter speed and gain controls. I'm betting on it.

Hmm... Canon HF100 or Panasonic HDC-HS9...

Seems good except for the 1/6" CCDs.

I want to see Adobe, Apple and Avid directly support AVCHD right now!
 
Now that Panasonic included 24p in the consumer cam, I feel confident that they would include 24p in the mockup I saw at the InterBEE. Good going, Panasonic.
So, for prosumer, it is possible that 24p with manual zoom and focus ring would be around.
 
Barry_Green said:
And no rolling shutter! Hey, David S., this may be the B-cam you (and many of us) have been looking for...

... wonder if there's any manual controls?
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Barry:

Saw this earlier today. Why do they limit it to 17 mbps? But a global shutter and 3-CCDs and HDMI.

This might be a great B roll with the Intensity board.

Know anybody at Panasonic to enable me to review this?

best
 
David S. that's actually something I didn't even think about. The Intensity HDMI card + This cam would be great. We're gonna have to see some footage asap.

CoughKakuCough
 
David S. said:
Saw this earlier today. Why do they limit it to 17 mbps? But a global shutter and 3-CCDs and HDMI.
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I don't know why it's limited to 17mbps, but Canon did the same thing with their new Vixia cameras, so maybe it's a hardware limitation related to the AVC encoding chip? I really don't know. If it's a processor issue, I could accept that (even if I don't like it; I mean, I can't buy a quad-core MBP yet either). If it's some sort of "phased roll-out" then that'd be annoying.

Know anybody at Panasonic to enable me to review this?
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I don't know anybody at the consumer company at all. This is being released by the consumer division and I have no idea who you'd need to talk to.
 
Is the sensor 1920×1080 native or does it use pixel-shifting or some other resolution-enhancing technique? Also, any mention of any alternative framerates?
 
Barry_Green said:
I don't know why it's limited to 17mbps, but Canon did the same thing with their new Vixia cameras, so maybe it's a hardware limitation related to the AVC encoding chip? I really don't know. If it's a processor issue, I could accept that (even if I don't like it; I mean, I can't buy a quad-core MBP yet either). If it's some sort of "phased roll-out" then that'd be annoying.
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Technical reasons

* There are three types of SDHC cards: Class 2 (16Mbps sustained speed), Class 4 (24Mbps) and Class 6 (32Mbps). Class 2 cards are the cheapest and are the least common denominator. Thus, bitrates of 13 to 16 Mbps (17Mbps in case of Canon, but I suppose this is not the sustained speed, this is a maximum achievable speed) work well for the cheapest cards. Basically, manufacturers protect their support department from angry customers' calls like "I bought a cheap no-name SDHC card, but the video is choppy! Your camcorder sucks, I am returning it right away!"

* Obviously, the lower the bandwidth the more video one can stick onto a card. This is a selling point. No one wants to spend $50 for a card that holds only 15 minutes or so.

Despite these valid points, I would prefer to have a better selection in the menu (say, "normal HD" 16Mbps and make it default, then "Better HD" at 20Mbps and "Super HD" at 24Mbps). I would also like to have an option for a camcorder to test card throughput, this is very easy. After the card is tested, it can be labelled so it should not have been tested again.

It seems that camcorder manufacturers still have more video guys in their staff than computer guys.


Marketing reasons

Umm, I'd rather not go into that. Everyone has their own conspiracy theory. :)
 
I think it is correct.

I think it is like the Sony's limited overcrank mode with the memory, but without resolution loss?
 
AuditoryVisuals said:
Oh no! Look what I found on Amazon:

High-speed burst shooting at 24 frames/second Ability for the camcorder to take up to 24 consecutive 2.1-megapixel resolution still images in one second or up to 72 consecutive shots in three seconds.

Stills at 24fps for one second?

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HDC...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1199918541&sr=1-1

Tell me Amazon is wrong!
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LOL. No no no, that means you can get 3 seconds of 2.1 megapixel 24P in STILL format as well. But I believe the Camera has a 24p setting for RECORDING.

I think?
 
According to the specifications at the Panasonic Japan site, it's really really real 24p if you record at the highest quality setting (it says 25p, but that's obviously for PAL areas). Interestingly, though, there are two high quality settings: HA which is 17Mbps, and HG which is 13Mbps. If I'm reading the chart correctly HA corresponds to 1080/60i, and HG corresponds to 1080/24p. The math works out:

Datarate ratio = 13:17 = .765
Framerate ratio = 24/(60*.5) = .8

I guess it would be similar in comparing 1080/60i at 100Mbps on the HVX to 720/24pN at 40Mbps.

Blathering aside, it looks like native 24p.
 
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