Edit flow speed in DVCpro 50, 100 relative to DV

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Reflex Films

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Hi all
i'm from Dv and HDV land - editing in FCS 2-looking at getting into the HVX .

I found that going from dv to hdv (Sony HC1 and 3 footage) my edit flow slowed right up due to the extra render time - i'm guessing that was due to the compression in the HDV format

my question is .. do dvcpro 50 and DVCpro HD formats suffer from this render slow down in the timeline or do they "flow "nicely? Should i expect similar speeds to editing in DV - or slow down compared to that?

I do alot of short format work - watersports - so i am doing alot of ramps, beat matching and fit to fills - a 2 second clip is long in my world - so the edit flow is important to me.

Cheers!
 
DVCProHD -- like any intraframe codec -- is much easier to edit than long-GOP interframe codecs. It's harder on the disk drives because it requires more bandwidth, but it is easy on the CPU.

On my system (a PC running Edius) it is as painless as editing standard-definition DV.
 
Just what i wanted to hear - thanks!

Loving the idea of P2 instant capture (well its close) as i spend SOOO much time capturing - on a typical project i often have to go through arund20 1 hr DV tapes to yield 45 mins of quality footage! Goodbye to that!

Just one more quick one - when i bring in P2 clips can i discard portions of them .
For example with a 60 min tape i might only capture 3 mins - and actually use 2 minutes of that

With P2 do i have to ingest the WHOLE card - or can i set up to drag and drop PORTIONS of clips onto my Hard drive? This would give me some great economy in the field..
 
no. You have to copy the enitre P2 card structure onto your drive (unless you edit straight off P2 cards) but in the edit process you can set in and out points for unwrapping portions to QT. You can also make an unlimited amount of clips from a P2 card partition.

I hate logging and capturing tape after working with P2.
 
FCP sort of lets you import portions of clips; in the log & transfer window you can select in and out points and import only those sections. It's very much a tape-like workflow though, as opposed to the instant edit capability you'd get with Raylight or using an editor that natively supports MXF.

So with the Mac, you could have it both ways actually -- get Raylight for the instant no-capture workflow, and use Log & Transfer for those times when you only want to bring in portions of clips.
 
Thanks again - very informative.

Barry - do you have your HVX Book and DVD available at retailers in Australia?

I usually shoot in HDV ,Use the Sony HC 3 to downconvert in cam during capture to DV. Edit and distribute to DVD and web delivery (h.264 - works fantastically!)

I recently compressed an HDV timeline down to h.264 (1000kbs for web delivery - usually works a treat off a DV timeline) and was shocked at the amt of jumping frames, artifacts etc. With the sort of edit intensive work i do i cant see HDV being a viable format for me. (Although the Sony HC3 delivers really great standard DV - for the price- when used in HDV capture - DV output configutation)

Basically i now dont have the faith in HDV to use it as an editing format (SUPER long renders and unacceptable glitching / artifacts on export!!)

Its DVC pro all the way for me from here in! Great to know that i should get all the quality without having to pay a price in massive render times.
 
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