Record uncompressed 14-bit (4:4:4) on your HVX200

In the past, with the DVX, they offered new DVX 100s with the Andromeda system already installed.

Wouldn't surprise me if they do the sayme for HVX200
 
it's been calm around hydra quite a while - here and in the reel-streem forum.

any hydra news?
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several reasons for that...

Many of the questions have already been answered by Juan's hardwork, dedication and knowledge of a great product. You gotta give it to these guys for professionally hacking into this camera to get a better picture.

Some people grow more interested as they hear about the specs...some grow disinterested when they generalize the price range and the fact that you will need to record sound through another source. Plus...no one knows how big the 2K files can be. with 1080p running around 1Gig per minute...u can only imagine what recording in 2k will be like.

Furthermore....hydra will live up to its potential in my opinion....its allowing someone with a budget around 10,000 to have the same exact picture quality as someone with a 100,000 camera budget (those Arriflex D-20's and Panavision Genesis' are expensive). So..if you have the HVX200 with the hydra kit...consider yourself a natural competitor in the 2K revolution of film/video. (Of course..Red One is the new king, along with 4k being the new thing.)
 
As much as I tip my hat of to Reel-stream and as much as I respect them for trying, I'm just thinking that if they take much longer to release Hydra it will be DOA. RED is upon us, and the SI-Mini, surely a better camera, is already shipping for about 12k. I think once RED is here SI will have to lower their prices in order to continue to make sense as an option. Now they are selling a lot of Minis because RED for many is still only vaporware. But once RED is shipping, I think they will have to lower the price. If they lower the mini price to 10K or under, Hydra no longer makes sense for close to 9k because the Mini has a better sensor, is a better camera and will offer the opportunity to use better lenses. Given the system to record from Hydra will most likely be more expensive than what the mini requires or at least as expensive, honestly, even at 12k the mini already makes more sense for me. Specially if the price drops. Hydra DOA.
 
Um, that comparison to the SI-Mini doesn't work for my situation. First, you didn't add the cost of the mount and glass (at least from list price). You've only got a head with the SI. Not as flexible as a Hydra mod because I can still use my HVX in the field. Finally, I already own my HVX, so the delta is not the same as investing in a whole new camera. Watch and wait and see how all the chips fall.
 
A workable RED solution is going to be around $20K at the bare minimum, more than double the Hydra solution. You are realistically going to be spending $25k to $30K on a RED set-up. This is an upgrade, available in steps. If you already have an HVX, this cost you $3500... less than 15% of what a RED will cost you. Different products, different markets. As for the timing... you do realize how long after the DVX was released that the andromeda came out?


ash =o)
 
Mediacre said:
As much as I tip my hat of to Reel-stream and as much as I respect them for trying, I'm just thinking that if they take much longer to release Hydra it will be DOA. RED is upon us, and the SI-Mini, surely a better camera, is already shipping for about 12k. I think once RED is here SI will have to lower their prices in order to continue to make sense as an option. Now they are selling a lot of Minis because RED for many is still only vaporware. But once RED is shipping, I think they will have to lower the price. If they lower the mini price to 10K or under, Hydra no longer makes sense for close to 9k because the Mini has a better sensor, is a better camera and will offer the opportunity to use better lenses. Given the system to record from Hydra will most likely be more expensive than what the mini requires or at least as expensive, honestly, even at 12k the mini already makes more sense for me. Specially if the price drops. Hydra DOA.
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Well maybe the Hydra also drops in price after the initial costs have been covered...
At around 2K the hydra would be more attractive for a lot of the thousands of HVX owners out there...
 
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Mediacre said:
As much as I tip my hat of to Reel-stream and as much as I respect them for trying, I'm just thinking that if they take much longer to release Hydra it will be DOA. RED is upon us, and the SI-Mini, surely a better camera, is already shipping for about 12k. I think once RED is here SI will have to lower their prices in order to continue to make sense as an option. Now they are selling a lot of Minis because RED for many is still only vaporware. But once RED is shipping, I think they will have to lower the price. If they lower the mini price to 10K or under, Hydra no longer makes sense for close to 9k because the Mini has a better sensor, is a better camera and will offer the opportunity to use better lenses. Given the system to record from Hydra will most likely be more expensive than what the mini requires or at least as expensive, honestly, even at 12k the mini already makes more sense for me. Specially if the price drops. Hydra DOA.
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Again you are completely missing the point. Saying the Hydra is $9K is incorrect. It is $3500, the other money you have spent is sunken for most. You can get an HVX for $4500 very easy. For under $8000 you can shoot with on camera sound if you choose in SD to tape, in SD to P2, in DV50 SD to P2, in 720P, 1080P etc. plus uncompressed 4:4:4 over gigabit ethernet (any relatively new computer will work fine). This is infinity more flexible than the Mini. The system to record costs nothing if you already have a decent computer.

Some of you are failing to realize that the market for Hydra is people who already own an HVX. It is not people deciding on whether to get a RED, an SI or the Hydra.




ash =o)
 
Guys you don't have samples not even a final prototype to really compare the Hydra to other camera.

1 month since the last post about hydra on their website, 4 months since NAB and still nothing, I think that this product have a lot of potential but 6 to 9 months from now to have this kind of solution (They don't have samples yet, and after they polish the wrinkles this will take months) the best is to jump to RED and start making money right away, in this way you will justify the price gap.

I would like to have the Hydra now but is taking so long.

JB
 
mrWr0ng said:
how much has your RED earned you so far?
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LOL, good point. :)

I also think that the Hydra fits an interesting / good nitch. To get a basic RED package- enough so that you can film your projects with, realistically you are talking about $40,000 - $50,000, if you go the SI2K route- your talking between $20,000 - $30,000. Compare that to people who already own a computer, as well as the HVX, and at a $3500 price point, that is much more feasible. Yes you'll get a better image out of an SI or RED, but for the lower end of the market, the Hydra is a very appealing addition to the tool kit ....
 
Or for 5300$ and a p2 cards you can shoot DVCprohd 1080p out of the box.....

the real benefit i dont think will be a big boost in resolution, but in dynmaic range. and that helps EVERYTHING look better.
 
What Timur says I's agrees with.

Hoping the idea that it's being delivered so late in the year will effect the overall price tag and bring it down a few hundred. Wishful thinking and all.

I want to see some footage. =(
 
Just read that m'self. I guess the project is moving along!

2k Resolution confirmed, although I'm not sure if Juan is confirming 14-bit as a definite.

Hello,

The maximum(native) uncompressed frame size for Hydra on the Panasonic HVX200 is now 2112 x 1136 (1:1 square pixels) at all frame rates, and still a maximum color precision of 14-bit RGB (linear).

The user can select at the hardware level what frame size to record, for example 2048x1080, 1920x1080, etc. As with Andromeda, the hardware does not do any resizing so if you want 1280x720 for example, we suggest you record a large 16:9 frame (1920x1080 for example) and then down-size in post.

Cheers,
Juan
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I'm trying to make sure I understand this properly: by bypassing the DVCproHD compression, should we be seeing a rather clean image from the HVX-H setup?
 
Well, you'll see two main improvements: no compression artifacts, and 14-bit color instead of 8-bit. Plus a third improvement may be actually higher resolution.
 
It will probably clean up a little, or atleast look more "grainy" as opposed to crawing noise.

I just wanna see what it can do when recorded as square pixel, 1920x1080 PROGRESSIVE. I think we will be VERY surprised by how sharp it will be when putting out its native resolution, instead of being subsampled to death.
 
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