Wedding Videography at 60p on HVX200
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Thank you for your response! It is right in line with a solution that I've been contemplating from the beginning. If I change the speed to half (to achieve slow motion) in a 60p timeline, it will play back at 30p, which should still look perfectly fine! ;-) I take it I shouldn't have to enable frame blending . . . I hate the look of that and try not to use it whenver possible.
When the sequence is finished, I should be able to export to Compressor as regular video (30 fps) and everything should look perfectly fine. Correct? Question: Any chance of this workflow solution degrading the quality, regarding to frame rate, of the areas where I slowed down the footage? (Compressor won't export half the information of the slowed down footage, making those areas 15fps will it?) Thanks for the responses!!
ksteiger
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My 2 cents. Why not shoot in 720 30P? Then you would have real solow mo (As much as true 1/2 speed) as well as having a quasi film look. Unless they absolutely have to have that lovely reality show look. Slow motion in camera as opposed to in the editing software are two different things.
This would also give you an extra stop over 60fps for the 99.99% of the footage that is not slow speed.
Good luck.
This would also give you an extra stop over 60fps for the 99.99% of the footage that is not slow speed.
Good luck.
Thanks for the effort . . . however it doesn't make since. How would shooting in 30p get me "real" slow motion? Also, the "reality show" look is not going to be there when I bring the entire project down to 30p in Compressor for DVD.
ANYWAY, guys, I really would *love* for someone to answer the question that I had before ksteiger's comment. Please . . . anyone? Thanks so much!
And what are you going to use to author the blu ray HD DVD?
Compressor will not create blu ray compliant encodes and there isn't any blu ray authoring on the Mac.
Blu ray on the PC support is, at best, spotty, and not all blu ray set tops are consistent with blu ray recordable discs.
You better be careful if your final output is a blu ray HD DVD.
Compressor will not create blu ray compliant encodes and there isn't any blu ray authoring on the Mac.
Blu ray on the PC support is, at best, spotty, and not all blu ray set tops are consistent with blu ray recordable discs.
You better be careful if your final output is a blu ray HD DVD.
Dude, forgive me if I sound a little sarcastic here, but where have you been for the past few months??? Compressor 3 does now have Blu-ray compliant encoding features. And, Toast Titanium 8 has the capability of authoring Blu-ray discs. Toast 8 has been out since January and Compressor 3 has been on the market a short time now. Of course, the new DVD Studio Pro handles Blu-ray . . . no problem. And yes, before you ask, there are Blu-ray drives designed specifically for Macs. Last but not least, you do know that Blu-ray and HD-DVD are two totally different mediums, correct? You seem to have combined them into one.
Seriously, I would at least research what is currently available before making a comment like this. I am sure you were trying to be helpful in some way . . . thanks anyway. ;-) :huh:
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I'm posting this question again since I've gotten a couple of off-topic comments since then. I want it to be fresh. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mainstreetprod:
Maybe I'm wrong, but if shooting 720 60P I think you are going to drop it into a 60P timeline for normal speed through most of the wedding. Than change the speed to 1/2 (or even less should look fairly smooth) when needed. I would use ramping when varying the speed for a smooth speed change.
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Thank you for your response! It is right in line with a solution that I've been contemplating from the beginning. If I change the speed to half (to achieve slow motion) in a 60p timeline, it will play back at 30p, which should still look perfectly fine! ;-) I take it I shouldn't have to enable frame blending . . . I hate the look of that and try not to use it whenver possible.
When the sequence is finished, I should be able to export to Compressor as regular video (30 fps) and everything should look perfectly fine. Correct? Question: Any chance of this workflow solution degrading the quality, regarding to frame rate, of the areas where I slowed down the footage? (Compressor won't export half the information of the slowed down footage, making those areas 15fps will it?) Thanks for the responses!!
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Originally Posted by mainstreetprod:
Maybe I'm wrong, but if shooting 720 60P I think you are going to drop it into a 60P timeline for normal speed through most of the wedding. Than change the speed to 1/2 (or even less should look fairly smooth) when needed. I would use ramping when varying the speed for a smooth speed change.
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Thank you for your response! It is right in line with a solution that I've been contemplating from the beginning. If I change the speed to half (to achieve slow motion) in a 60p timeline, it will play back at 30p, which should still look perfectly fine! ;-) I take it I shouldn't have to enable frame blending . . . I hate the look of that and try not to use it whenver possible.
When the sequence is finished, I should be able to export to Compressor as regular video (30 fps) and everything should look perfectly fine. Correct? Question: Any chance of this workflow solution degrading the quality, regarding to frame rate, of the areas where I slowed down the footage? (Compressor won't export half the information of the slowed down footage, making those areas 15fps will it?) Thanks for the responses!!
The better question is where have you been?
No need to be sarcastic, because you are completely WRONG about Toast's capabilities
Toast 8 can create data blu ray discs; it can't be used to author video blu ray discs.
I do product reviews, and the product manager for Toast 8 confirmed this to me months ago.
"Hi David! Apologies for the delay as I’ve been traveling. The Roxio software we include doesn’t natively support Blu-ray authoring, but is compatible w/ Scenarist which does. At this beginning stage, BD is best for large archival storage and I believe Roxio will build authoring into the software in the future once it gains a foothold."
Seriously (but not sarcastically), do your homework, and don't call me dude.
Good luck with the project, but you should consider another delivery medium.
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Well David, it's fortunate, then, that the new DVD Studio Pro AUTHORS Blu-ray Discs, huh? Like I've done in the past, I like to create the disc image in DVD Studio Pro and then burn in Toast (as a data disc . . . like you stated). I've had more luck with this workflow.
So, it seems to me that the delivery medium (and workflow) is just fine. I wouldn't be stating all this if I hadn't done at least a few successful projects using these items. Believe me, it works just fine. No need to challenge the delivery medium, the workflow or the capabilities of the Mac in regards to Blu-ray.
Back to the homework? Perhaps you should "review" the new Final Cut Studio 2. It's good stuff. Are you a Mac guy, by the way? You seem to know about PCs . . .
I guess it's going to be hard to get answers to my questions and other thoughts on workflow solutions because I keep getting hit with comments like these. Thanks.
So, it seems to me that the delivery medium (and workflow) is just fine. I wouldn't be stating all this if I hadn't done at least a few successful projects using these items. Believe me, it works just fine. No need to challenge the delivery medium, the workflow or the capabilities of the Mac in regards to Blu-ray.
Back to the homework? Perhaps you should "review" the new Final Cut Studio 2. It's good stuff. Are you a Mac guy, by the way? You seem to know about PCs . . .
I guess it's going to be hard to get answers to my questions and other thoughts on workflow solutions because I keep getting hit with comments like these. Thanks.
Your quote:
"And, Toast Titanium 8 has the capability of authoring Blu-ray discs. "
It does not have authoring capabilities as I stated in my post, and has been confirmed with the product manager.
Which blu ray set top have you authored to? The reason I ask is that many blu ray set tops are not compatible with blu ray recordables.
And which blu ray burner are you using with Compressor 3 on what Mac? You indicated that you were using 5.1 which does NOT include Compressor 3. That is part of the FCS2 package.
I'm trying to help here, so the condescending comments, and calling me "Dude" are counterproductive to participation and aren't really necessary or appreciated.
As I stated earlier, Toast 8 cannot AUTHOR blu ray discs.
"And, Toast Titanium 8 has the capability of authoring Blu-ray discs. "
It does not have authoring capabilities as I stated in my post, and has been confirmed with the product manager.
Which blu ray set top have you authored to? The reason I ask is that many blu ray set tops are not compatible with blu ray recordables.
And which blu ray burner are you using with Compressor 3 on what Mac? You indicated that you were using 5.1 which does NOT include Compressor 3. That is part of the FCS2 package.
I'm trying to help here, so the condescending comments, and calling me "Dude" are counterproductive to participation and aren't really necessary or appreciated.
As I stated earlier, Toast 8 cannot AUTHOR blu ray discs.
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Why are you pulling quotes from my original response to your first post? We've moved on. I've already said that I "author" the discs in DVDSP and then burn as a data disc in Toast. You already said that you KNOW Toast 8 will burn data discs. What's the question here?
I do believe I called you David in the last post . . . again, you're pulling items from the next-to-last post. We've moved on.
I do believe I called you David in the last post . . . again, you're pulling items from the next-to-last post. We've moved on.
Which blu ray set top have you authored to? The reason I ask is that many blu ray set tops are not compatible with blu ray recordables.
And which blu ray burner are you using with Compressor 3 on what Mac? You indicated that you were using 5.1 which does NOT include Compressor 3. That is part of the FCS2 package.
And which blu ray burner are you using with Compressor 3 on what Mac? You indicated that you were using 5.1 which does NOT include Compressor 3. That is part of the FCS2 package.
ksteiger
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If you are shooting in 720 60P you are already shooting at 60 fps and have no more speed increase available. If you are shooting at 720 30P you are shooting 30 progressive frames per second and can now overcrank by changing the frame rate in the scene file to 60fps. When you play it back in your 30 frame timeline it will be playing back at half speed just like film.
Also shooting at 30P will give you the film look in camera without having to fake it later in post. 720 60P just looks like "Deal or No Deal" style video. I hope this made sense.
Also shooting at 30P will give you the film look in camera without having to fake it later in post. 720 60P just looks like "Deal or No Deal" style video. I hope this made sense.
AbstracTheory
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http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/
This is the one I was thinking of getting soon...
clipgloss:
i like the workflow of authoring in DVDSPro and burning the image in Toast 8... but I am also curious which units you have tested Blu-Ray playback in? I use my PS3 primarily as a blu-ray player... love to hear some positive results..
This is the one I was thinking of getting soon...
clipgloss:
i like the workflow of authoring in DVDSPro and burning the image in Toast 8... but I am also curious which units you have tested Blu-Ray playback in? I use my PS3 primarily as a blu-ray player... love to hear some positive results..
I apologize. I did say that I was using Final Cut 5.1. I am using -- and have been using for weeks -- the Final Cut Studio 2 package. My burner is a FastMac SuperDrive. I have used one of my colleagues' systems and they have a MCE Blu-ray SuperDrive.
The reason I'm pushing for a response on testing of the workflow is because I've not heard of any blu ray disc authored in DVD SP that actually works.
HD DVD, yes, but no blu ray at all.
And it is an integral part of the promised product.
HD DVD, yes, but no blu ray at all.
And it is an integral part of the promised product.
Thanks!! I understand . . . I appreciate you explaining. ;-)
Ha! I have tested in one of my colleagues' PS3! ;-) Also, I have a standalone Panasonic Blu-ray Player and a family member that has a Samsung. All works fine!
Glad we share the same workflow taste! Thanks for sharing!
Have you tested a blu ray DVD on some set tops?
If you have and they work with menus, it would be great to hear your complete workflow.
For example, half the time I can't get h.264 encode DVCProHD footage to even import into DVDSP 4.2 at anything less than 10.3 mbps.
If you have and they work with menus, it would be great to hear your complete workflow.
For example, half the time I can't get h.264 encode DVCProHD footage to even import into DVDSP 4.2 at anything less than 10.3 mbps.