Record uncompressed 14-bit (4:4:4) on your HVX200

Mediacre said:
Isn't 35mm film’s rough calculation including stock, processing and telecine $1 a minute?
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No, you'd be off by at least a factor of 30x. Even if you shot short ends and recans, got it processed at the cheapest place you could possibly find, and had it transferred on the cheapest creakiest aging Rank telecine, it's still going to come out to $30/minute.

Or is it $1 a second?
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For fresh film stock, quality processing and great-quality transfer, it's more like $2/second.

35mm film stock alone is about 60 cents a foot, one minute = about $54.00 just for the stock.
 
Barry_Green said:
No, you'd be off by at least a factor of 30x. Even if you shot short ends and recans, got it processed at the cheapest place you could possibly find, and had it transferred on the cheapest creakiest aging Rank telecine, it's still going to come out to $30/minute.


For fresh film stock, quality processing and great-quality transfer, it's more like $2/second.

35mm film stock alone is about 60 cents a foot, one minute = about $54.00 just for the stock.
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Yeah, I thought I was mistaking.
Thinking again, it’s probably just as expensive as P2 right now. A 16GB will be $900. How much 1080 24p can you record in 16GB?
 
Barry...I was buying short ends for 12 cents a foot for my last project.

60 cents a foot is brand new stock.
 
Right, that's what I said for the second part. The $30/minute cost was for 12c short ends, 10c processing, and a cheap $135/hour telecine.
 
soarprod said:
16+ min.
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Only 16 min. of 1080 on each 16GB P2?
At $900 that makes it $56.25 a minute. Compared to that, recording uncompressed for $1.83 a minute doesn't even sound that bad actually.
 
Sorry if it's already been covered but does anyone know if Real Stream will mod PAL HVX and ship back to UK or is it just an NTSC USA deal?
 
Mediacre said:
Only 16 min. of 1080 on each 16GB P2?
At $900 that makes it $56.25 a minute. Compared to that, recording uncompressed for $1.83 a minute doesn't even sound that bad actually.
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Unfortunately 1080pA24 does not have a pull down applied, so I guess you would definite it as over 60, recording wise.

Now a 1080PN24 firmware update, if possible, would be a real treat from a P2 aspect. :2vrolijk_08:
 
Mediacre said:
Only 16 min. of 1080 on each 16GB P2?
At $900 that makes it $56.25 a minute. Compared to that, recording uncompressed for $1.83 a minute doesn't even sound that bad actually.
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Sorry I'm slow. Please explain where you get 1.83 a gig from? In your previou post, you basically stated that a 250gb HDD is 110.00 and that's sorely, horribly overpriced. That's about a 500gb drive on NewEgg.
 
Hello,

This is just my personal opinion, but I think the discussion of cost between stocks and video is a bit over simplified. Regardless of how much your 35mm stock, rental, lenses, crew, etc cost, if in the end you want the complete flexibility of doing an uncompressed DI for color correction composition or effects, you still have to scan the film in at 2K(at least), yielding uncompressed Cineon files and you still need the digital storage for that, which is essentially the same disk space as if you just recorded it uncompressed in the first place. You also need the same computer hardware that can handle the 2K resolution for whatever it is you want to do with the footage.

An uncompressed system like Hydra outputs directly to this uncompressed digital format('DI' so to speak), so you cut out the whole process of dealing with film stocks alltogether.

Cheers,
Juan
 
Hi Juan,

I wanna thank you for such an inspiring product. Just wondering if NLE'S such as premiere and vegas can cut such raw footage, and if so, then what format extension are the recorded files?

thanks
 
Kholi said:
Sorry I'm slow. Please explain where you get 1.83 a gig from? In your previou post, you basically stated that a 250gb HDD is 110.00 and that's sorely, horribly overpriced. That's about a 500gb drive on NewEgg.
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You're right and people fail to mention that you buy the P2 cards once, not every time you shoot like with film. I live on NewEgg, tho the tax sux since they opened their Jersey office but BX I'm coming BOHO.
 
Hello,

Just wondering if NLE'S such as premiere and vegas can cut such raw footage, and if so, then what format extension are the recorded files?
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We have current Andromeda users editing on just about every editing software suite available today. Under the current SculptorHD software, the files are initially recorded in a RAW format, which can then be exported into an image sequence(TIFF, JPG, PNG, etc) or a Quicktime clip(s) using codecs installed on your computer. Once exported, they are loaded into your editing software like you would any other clip.

Of course, if you choose to export in a lossy compressed format then you will loose information. If you choose to export in a lossless format then there is none. The important point is that we give the user the flexibility of choosing what format they want to work in for whatever their production environment is.

Cheers,
Juan
 
We have just posted a new version of the free xLUT color grading and LUT editing software, downloadable here:

http://www.reel-stream.com/xLUT_1_1_1b.zip

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wow, that was one long read! but very interesting indeed. As for storage, would it be a good idea to shoot uncompressed 14bit to a 500 gig HD, then take the two hours of uncompressed footage and convert it to DVCPro HD 1920x1080, and use that footage to store and edit? Will converting to DVCProHD turn the 500 Gigs/2 hours into 120Gigs/2 hours?if it were so then storage costs would be lower, and footage would be much easier to deal with when you are editing. :huh:
 
NorthernFilmMaker said:
wow, that was one long read! but very interesting indeed. As for storage, would it be a good idea to shoot uncompressed 14bit to a 500 gig HD, then take the two hours of uncompressed footage and convert it to DVCPro HD 1920x1080, and use that footage to store and edit? Will converting to DVCProHD turn the 500 Gigs/2 hours into 120Gigs/2 hours?if it were so then storage costs would be lower, and footage would be much easier to deal with when you are editing. :huh:
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I don't think converting these high quality Hydra files to a lossy 8bit DVCProHD codec (effectively 1280x1080 at 24p) is ideal, especially if you are going to apply subsequent CC, compositing, etc, and re-encode to the same codec. IMO, better to consider a Digital Intermediate (DI) codec, perhaps something like CineForm Prospect HD, or perhaps the ProRes 4:2:2 (yet to be tested by general public). It really depends what you want to do in post and at what point you want to do it. If you want to master to DVCProHD tape, then the final master could be encoded to DVCProHD, so that you could firewire it into, say, an AJ-HD1200 or the newer AJ-HD1400 deck.
 
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Exactly. Even if you are going to a format such as DVD which is highly compressed and lossy, you gain enormous benefit by doing all your color grading and composition in an uncompressed/lossless space. Once you are done, you will have to compress the data for the DVD, but there will only be one compression stage.

ProjX, SculptorHD currently runs on Macs, but once you export you can take the standard media files to any system.

Cheers,
Juan
 
Hi juan,

Please tell us that you will support PC. I want to buy hydra only if its PC supported.

thanks
 
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