Tom Marshall
Actor!!!!!!
You sell bridges too? I've been looking for one for a while, ya know... 
Envision & RebeccaD Present "Where Silence Falls"
- Thread starter Norm Sanders
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deepentertainments
Active member
Loved ur behind the scene...
It was intresting
specially all gears and all...
just cant wait to see the movie
It was intresting
specially all gears and all...
just cant wait to see the movie
Shawn Philip Nelson
Veteran
Envision said:
Thanks Norm, that's what I was expecting! When you posted earlier about all the problems I was so confused. I now feel much more warm and fuzzy.
That really sucks to have to sync after the editing. I did a 65 min feature all synced and my workflow was to sync all the good takes before editing, much easier that way. Oh well, this is still easier than ADR! I'm curious what piece(s) you still want to ADR.
jeremytuttle
Well-known member
Envision said:
Yeah, it's never the same. I think naturally (and subconsciously) people just react different when their in the real setting and around other people to work off. Another theory of mine might be though that you get so used to hearing it in the original recorded form (audio pops, noise, and all) that no matter what get's recorded it will never be what you are used to. I'm sure it's a combo of both.
Good luck with the audio syncing and ADR.
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
I MAY be able to save all the audio. The couple parts that are questionable (red lining all the way out, but not too distorted), I may be able to clean up some with a filter, etc.
Otherwise, I'm WAY behind the eight ball with regards to how much sound I still have to sync up, which Rebecca got to see first hand when she came by for the ADR & to review the work so far. It's not even a simple task of getting the sound to sync with the particular clip, because at this point the clip has been repaced as it's intermingled with other clips/angles, etc. So I've got to take the same clip & sync it to several different spots, if that make sense.
Daunting is the best word for it.
I'm going to work on this audio until the wee hours in the morning, most likely. Then, tomorrow I've got to make a mad dash over to Dan's office & see about rendering out a HIGH quality QT file (or anything else I can get to be compatable with Vegas), and do a temporary color correction via Vegas. Since I don't know Final Cut Pro at all, and Forrest was unable to connect with me today for the CC, I've got to do whatever I can tomorrow to try & get this to where it's at least good enough for the festival, although I'll still want to do some tweaks afterwards for the cast/crew DVD.
Regardless, I hope to have as much as possible completed by tomorrow night for final review, then working with compression & uploading on Wednesday.
Otherwise, I'm WAY behind the eight ball with regards to how much sound I still have to sync up, which Rebecca got to see first hand when she came by for the ADR & to review the work so far. It's not even a simple task of getting the sound to sync with the particular clip, because at this point the clip has been repaced as it's intermingled with other clips/angles, etc. So I've got to take the same clip & sync it to several different spots, if that make sense.
Daunting is the best word for it.
I'm going to work on this audio until the wee hours in the morning, most likely. Then, tomorrow I've got to make a mad dash over to Dan's office & see about rendering out a HIGH quality QT file (or anything else I can get to be compatable with Vegas), and do a temporary color correction via Vegas. Since I don't know Final Cut Pro at all, and Forrest was unable to connect with me today for the CC, I've got to do whatever I can tomorrow to try & get this to where it's at least good enough for the festival, although I'll still want to do some tweaks afterwards for the cast/crew DVD.
Regardless, I hope to have as much as possible completed by tomorrow night for final review, then working with compression & uploading on Wednesday.
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
Okay, I've just got to break from audio for a second to say this....
Rebecca is THE most consistent actress/talent that I've EVER seen. So much so that in some respects it's actually making sync'ing the dialogue more difficult, although cutting the film was quite nice, because of how consistent she is. Even her pacing of the dialogue is nearly DEAD on to every other take ... so trying to match up which actual audio clip goes with which video clip is proving to be pretty tough, lol.
Anyway, Rebecca, what's meant as a compliment to you is ironically causing me a LOT of work. :grin:
Rebecca is THE most consistent actress/talent that I've EVER seen. So much so that in some respects it's actually making sync'ing the dialogue more difficult, although cutting the film was quite nice, because of how consistent she is. Even her pacing of the dialogue is nearly DEAD on to every other take ... so trying to match up which actual audio clip goes with which video clip is proving to be pretty tough, lol.
Anyway, Rebecca, what's meant as a compliment to you is ironically causing me a LOT of work. :grin:
Tom Marshall
Actor!!!!!!
lol... way to go Rebecca!!
Now get back to work, Norm... you've got a deadline to meet! :beer:
Now get back to work, Norm... you've got a deadline to meet! :beer:
Ted Arabian
Member with Ladder
I love consistency in actors! Way to go Rebecca!
Wow! Just read about your sound sync nightmare... yikes! I hope that it is under control now.
Sounds like everyone is busy right down to the wire! Can't wait!!!
Wow! Just read about your sound sync nightmare... yikes! I hope that it is under control now.
Sounds like everyone is busy right down to the wire! Can't wait!!!
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Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
UPDATE: Okay, I've got to toot my horn on this one, since Mac/FCP intimidates the heck out of me ... namely because I've NEVER worked on a Mac before, nor FCP ... so it's like going to a foreign country & trying to get by with NO knowledge of their language.
Anyway, I was able to find FCP, open it up, then find the correct project file, and then even find the right sequence that was last worked on by the editor ... and THEN, I THINK I was able to successfully figure out how to render the entire sequence to a PNG image sequence (what Vegas will natively import, and more lossless quality than JPEG's). Said it was going to take 4-6 hours to render, and will likely take up several DVD's, but hopefully it does the trick & I can drive the 45 minute round trip out there tonight to get the sequence & bring back here for color correction.
Since the editor, Forrest, wasn't able to help with the CC on FCP, this CC in Vegas will be a temp for the fest. I've also ran some tests of rendering out a 29.97 file from Vegas to a 23.98 (24P) file, and it looks pretty good. You can still tell here & there that the original file was interlaced, but otherwise looks pretty clean. At some point in the very near future, I've got to get back together with Forrest & see how we can reimport all the original 24P footage into a new project without having to edit everything from scratch again.
And then ... I may have to re-sync all the sound to that file as well. Oy veh!
Anyway, I was able to find FCP, open it up, then find the correct project file, and then even find the right sequence that was last worked on by the editor ... and THEN, I THINK I was able to successfully figure out how to render the entire sequence to a PNG image sequence (what Vegas will natively import, and more lossless quality than JPEG's). Said it was going to take 4-6 hours to render, and will likely take up several DVD's, but hopefully it does the trick & I can drive the 45 minute round trip out there tonight to get the sequence & bring back here for color correction.
Since the editor, Forrest, wasn't able to help with the CC on FCP, this CC in Vegas will be a temp for the fest. I've also ran some tests of rendering out a 29.97 file from Vegas to a 23.98 (24P) file, and it looks pretty good. You can still tell here & there that the original file was interlaced, but otherwise looks pretty clean. At some point in the very near future, I've got to get back together with Forrest & see how we can reimport all the original 24P footage into a new project without having to edit everything from scratch again.
And then ... I may have to re-sync all the sound to that file as well. Oy veh!
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Awesome Norm
Vegas rules for CC and All Editing work ! Im sure it will be great
Vegas rules for CC and All Editing work ! Im sure it will be great
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
Yep, I know it'll do well on the CC ... it's just a matter of taking the time for the right look, matching the scenes, etc.
I just heard from Dan Ayers, and the PNG image sequence had another 17 minutes to complete the render. From there, he'll call me to tell me how many Gigs of data the nearly 11,000 frames will take up, so I'll have an idea of how many DVD's need to burn & when to guage leaving my house so I'm not wasting time sitting there waiting for them to burn when I could be here finishing sound.
I just heard from Dan Ayers, and the PNG image sequence had another 17 minutes to complete the render. From there, he'll call me to tell me how many Gigs of data the nearly 11,000 frames will take up, so I'll have an idea of how many DVD's need to burn & when to guage leaving my house so I'm not wasting time sitting there waiting for them to burn when I could be here finishing sound.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
heehee 11,000 frames!!!! WOW!
11,000 frames!!!! WOW!
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
Unfortunate Set Back
Unfortunate Set Back
Well, I make the call out to Dan to see how the render was going, and it was complete, but I was alarmed when he said he was already burning the third DVD of 'clips'. I told him there shouldn't be any clips, and that it should be THOUSANDS of individual images.
Long story short, I RACE (yes, I'm sure I broke every speed limit on every street on the way there) to his side of town, while still on the phone with him, and somehow NONE of the files that had been rendered (the Mac DID render something, as it took over four hours to do) could be located ... short of a shortcut to the folder I had originally created & saved the PNG image sequence to.
So after a quick temper tantrum, the only thing I could do was double check all the settings (this time with Dan over my shoulder to see what I was doing & where I was saving to), and start the process all over again. I've now lost most of the evening for CC, and will have to start it in the morning. Hopefully we can submit the critical H.264/.mov files first, because with everything that still has to be done, there's no way I'll have the entire .zip file complete with .mov and DVD compatable MPEG-2 files completed in time. :violin:
Got Justin's final score in tonight and it's ROCKING! Way to go, Justin, and thanks for baring with Rebecca and I through any tweaks/adjustments we were looking for. :thumbsup:
Unfortunate Set Back
Well, I make the call out to Dan to see how the render was going, and it was complete, but I was alarmed when he said he was already burning the third DVD of 'clips'. I told him there shouldn't be any clips, and that it should be THOUSANDS of individual images.
Long story short, I RACE (yes, I'm sure I broke every speed limit on every street on the way there) to his side of town, while still on the phone with him, and somehow NONE of the files that had been rendered (the Mac DID render something, as it took over four hours to do) could be located ... short of a shortcut to the folder I had originally created & saved the PNG image sequence to.
So after a quick temper tantrum, the only thing I could do was double check all the settings (this time with Dan over my shoulder to see what I was doing & where I was saving to), and start the process all over again. I've now lost most of the evening for CC, and will have to start it in the morning. Hopefully we can submit the critical H.264/.mov files first, because with everything that still has to be done, there's no way I'll have the entire .zip file complete with .mov and DVD compatable MPEG-2 files completed in time. :violin:
Got Justin's final score in tonight and it's ROCKING! Way to go, Justin, and thanks for baring with Rebecca and I through any tweaks/adjustments we were looking for. :thumbsup:
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
Pushing 1am, and all sound is in place & in sync ... have a few alternates in place as well to bounce off of Rebecca, which we're hoping she gets a chance sooner than later to come by & check it out.
All that waits now is getting that PNG image sequence up in Vegas (hoping it perfectly matches the video clip I've sync'd to), and quickly begin CC'ing, and then working with final render/compression.
All that waits now is getting that PNG image sequence up in Vegas (hoping it perfectly matches the video clip I've sync'd to), and quickly begin CC'ing, and then working with final render/compression.
Ted Arabian
Member with Ladder
My, oh my! Norm, what a chore!!!
I am sorry to hear of all these setbacks. That has got to be frustrating! I use FCP and I find there to be a steep learning curve with it. And I really hate the file management of the program. I actually have been wanting to open my horrorfest entry and make some adjustments on it but I won't even touch it because I fear that when I do, my TTN files may have to be relocated! I am sure that there are several things that I've done wrong on managing my FCP files... I need to learn the proper way. Unfortunately, every book that I read on FCP is unclear.
I hope that today is much less painful for you.
Good luck!
I am sorry to hear of all these setbacks. That has got to be frustrating! I use FCP and I find there to be a steep learning curve with it. And I really hate the file management of the program. I actually have been wanting to open my horrorfest entry and make some adjustments on it but I won't even touch it because I fear that when I do, my TTN files may have to be relocated! I am sure that there are several things that I've done wrong on managing my FCP files... I need to learn the proper way. Unfortunately, every book that I read on FCP is unclear.
I hope that today is much less painful for you.
Good luck!
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Mark Harris
Pain in the ass
Envision said:
That, my friend, is pretty much the Mac in a nutshell.
but if you don't get the film done, I think you should submit the last few pages of this thread to the fest. I've been on the edge of my seat...
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
Mark Harris said:but if you don't get the film done, I think you should submit the last few pages of this thread to the fest. I've been on the edge of my seat...
LOL, thanks Mark. Time for the moment of truth where I put a call into Dan so he can tell me whether all of the files are still there that we rendered, or magically disappeared again. If they disappeared, I think we're done for with regards to the fest.
*Goes to call now.....