accidental p2 card format
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What utilities on what platform?
PerceptionFilms
Active member
You might try a program called active-undelete. I've had success with it on sd cards. Might work with P2?
I will try all of these ideas. Giving up isnt an option at the moment.
I did run ACTIVE UNDELETE and it found a duplicate volume on the card, but I havent gotten into restoration just yet.
Under hexedit, I can see the data is there. The new folders are just blank but I know the data is still there if I can just identify the files and put them into the proper folders.
Some of these utilities are showing me clusters of data. I guess if I just name everything [n].mxf I should eba ble to slap these into a timeline?......
I did run ACTIVE UNDELETE and it found a duplicate volume on the card, but I havent gotten into restoration just yet.
Under hexedit, I can see the data is there. The new folders are just blank but I know the data is still there if I can just identify the files and put them into the proper folders.
Some of these utilities are showing me clusters of data. I guess if I just name everything [n].mxf I should eba ble to slap these into a timeline?......
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AtlantaFilms
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I received a call yesterday from a former crew member asking me the same question. I suggested he use Norton Utilities. I've had luck with it before.
Are you with the I.A.T.B.B. shoot in Atlanta?
The biggest problem you may have is the larger the files are the more of a chance they are corrupt. The file headers will save a lot of information about the file so it may appear that you have a valid file when in fact some data may have been overwritten. I don't know if any data gets written to the card after a camera format or if it's just a simple format.
It would also help to know what format the card is. If anyone knows what format the HVX uses to format the cards, please chime in. My first guess would be FAT32 since the cards work on both the Mac and PC. BUT then I started thinking about and realized that Panasonic provides drivers for the cards so it could be anything even something proprietory. I'll make a post to try and find out the format and that may help determine what software to use.
Are you with the I.A.T.B.B. shoot in Atlanta?
The biggest problem you may have is the larger the files are the more of a chance they are corrupt. The file headers will save a lot of information about the file so it may appear that you have a valid file when in fact some data may have been overwritten. I don't know if any data gets written to the card after a camera format or if it's just a simple format.
It would also help to know what format the card is. If anyone knows what format the HVX uses to format the cards, please chime in. My first guess would be FAT32 since the cards work on both the Mac and PC. BUT then I started thinking about and realized that Panasonic provides drivers for the cards so it could be anything even something proprietory. I'll make a post to try and find out the format and that may help determine what software to use.
lol. No I'm not in Atlanta. [I work for one of the more well known Space Programs.] I believe its FAT 32 and I must say I have about 10 or 12 undelete tools now on this machine and none of them are the magic bullet let me tell you. You are the second one to mention Norton and I may do that today. I know the gov't loves Norton..... I guess if I broke the law with this footage they could get it pretty quick, I dunno, [only kidding]
I don't need the footage for a little while yet, so I have some time so long as I don;t do anything stupid and re-reformat the thing or some such.
I have so far gotten the .bmp files to show up. I can see shoots I did months ago in the bmp's. I thought that was interesting. Like I say, giving up isnt an option. The footage is there in mxf format so that makes it a little strange versus a straght mov or mpeg or something and I know mxf is just a wrapper for the actual audio and video.
I am looking at the bytes that are set that mark the footage "deleted" which is an E9 byte set [I think] at the beginning of the file to tell the system the file data space is usuable again
I think getting this solved is going to help a fewmore people in the long run so I'm keeping at it.
I don't need the footage for a little while yet, so I have some time so long as I don;t do anything stupid and re-reformat the thing or some such.
I have so far gotten the .bmp files to show up. I can see shoots I did months ago in the bmp's. I thought that was interesting. Like I say, giving up isnt an option. The footage is there in mxf format so that makes it a little strange versus a straght mov or mpeg or something and I know mxf is just a wrapper for the actual audio and video.
I am looking at the bytes that are set that mark the footage "deleted" which is an E9 byte set [I think] at the beginning of the file to tell the system the file data space is usuable again
I think getting this solved is going to help a fewmore people in the long run so I'm keeping at it.
AtlantaFilms
Member
I checked the other posting I made and it is FAT32 tables.
The other guy I mentioned ignored my advice and has not tried Norton yet, instead they used a Mac based software package. If it were me I'd use a PC based system like Norton since FAT32 is a PC based format.
I have done a fair amount of retrival with Norton. My wife's company had a hard drive crash and sent the drive out to what is reported to be the country's number 1 ranked retrieval service (I won't mention their name). I made sure that they told them not to do anything to the drive (like reformatting, which they are known for doing) and instead clone the drive and work from that. Anyway they retrieved 30 files and charged $1,000. Later, I took the same drive and with a $30 copy of Norton Utilities was able to secure over 1,000 files. Needless to say, the other company refunded the money.
My P2 cards are with our cameraman. If I had them with me I'd do some testing to see if there are any headers written at the beginning of the files that may help rebuild the missing characters that the format erases.
Keep us posted.
The other guy I mentioned ignored my advice and has not tried Norton yet, instead they used a Mac based software package. If it were me I'd use a PC based system like Norton since FAT32 is a PC based format.
I have done a fair amount of retrival with Norton. My wife's company had a hard drive crash and sent the drive out to what is reported to be the country's number 1 ranked retrieval service (I won't mention their name). I made sure that they told them not to do anything to the drive (like reformatting, which they are known for doing) and instead clone the drive and work from that. Anyway they retrieved 30 files and charged $1,000. Later, I took the same drive and with a $30 copy of Norton Utilities was able to secure over 1,000 files. Needless to say, the other company refunded the money.
My P2 cards are with our cameraman. If I had them with me I'd do some testing to see if there are any headers written at the beginning of the files that may help rebuild the missing characters that the format erases.
Keep us posted.
Update:
I am still trying to get Norton to install and actually function. It installs then doesnt run.
A program called ZAR runs but stops part way through the scan at the same place everytime but looks promising. Some others work and see old folders with THAT date etc, and a couple even show me thumbnails of my deleted bitmap icons.
Meanwhile, I think today I am going to take another P2 , and duplicate the situation entirely i.e. do a t est shoot, quick format the card etc. and try and restore it directy with these same tools.I have some time to play with it before the next big gig, and the current project is mostly all offloaded into the editor. I may break down and go buy Norton at the store today in my travels.
Stay tuned....
I am still trying to get Norton to install and actually function. It installs then doesnt run.
A program called ZAR runs but stops part way through the scan at the same place everytime but looks promising. Some others work and see old folders with THAT date etc, and a couple even show me thumbnails of my deleted bitmap icons.
Meanwhile, I think today I am going to take another P2 , and duplicate the situation entirely i.e. do a t est shoot, quick format the card etc. and try and restore it directy with these same tools.I have some time to play with it before the next big gig, and the current project is mostly all offloaded into the editor. I may break down and go buy Norton at the store today in my travels.
Stay tuned....
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I started to look around the forums and came across this thread,
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and came here to see some video's taken with this camera.
I started to look around the forums and came across this thread,
and may happen to know of a program no one mentioned, and may not know about,
called ... OnBelay V2
(click the links above to see each web site)
Here's a small section of the Description of what this program can do ...
I hope this may help your situation... or they may be able to tell you if they have something that can help.
Key Features
Powerful solution for Data Backup, Data Recovery & Formatting for Flash Media.
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very cool.
I have experimented with intentionally formatted-over files on another card and can recover them quite easily with a lot of the tools. The card I am having trouble with has apparently been corrupted from the 5 slot P2 reader I had on the MAC at the time. I should have gotten these files by now with all these darn tools at my disposal.
I have ONBELAY running right now to see what it can do. I found another cool program which is called RUNTIME which is extremely thorough and mxf signatures can be specified and searched for which can be found at http://fileext.com.
STay tuned.... its getting closer.....
I have experimented with intentionally formatted-over files on another card and can recover them quite easily with a lot of the tools. The card I am having trouble with has apparently been corrupted from the 5 slot P2 reader I had on the MAC at the time. I should have gotten these files by now with all these darn tools at my disposal.
I have ONBELAY running right now to see what it can do. I found another cool program which is called RUNTIME which is extremely thorough and mxf signatures can be specified and searched for which can be found at http://fileext.com.
STay tuned.... its getting closer.....
Hi, with the OnBelay V2, did you try the DEMO first, or did the company send you something else to try, as a purchase?
... by the way... the link you posted for the other program at ... http://fileext.com ... just brings me to a web making site called EasySpace
and nothing about any memory tool program called RUNTIME.
.... could THIS be the link you meant to list ... http://www.stompsoft.com/recoverlostdata.html
I found that by putting the RUNTIME name into the search field of the EasySpace site... it's not RUNTIME, so I guess it's still the wrong link
... by the way... the link you posted for the other program at ... http://fileext.com ... just brings me to a web making site called EasySpace
and nothing about any memory tool program called RUNTIME..... could THIS be the link you meant to list ... http://www.stompsoft.com/recoverlostdata.html
I found that by putting the RUNTIME name into the search field of the EasySpace site... it's not RUNTIME, so I guess it's still the wrong link
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atlfilmguy
Well-known member
I am the crew member that Atlanta films spoke of. We had a problem with a card getting formatted over. We did not however have access to a PC with a PMCIA slot to test his advice. I think he is on a good track. I wish we could have done it with a PC before the company moved back to Savannah.
We used a mac program called Virtual Labs Recovery. We recovered 3.17 gigs of data but all the names of the files were missing. We tried to give them random names and got nowhere- without names all the data from the .xmf files is useless. We had three large files which are obviously the video files - and a ton of little files. Also we recovered data from really old users. We got some bitmaps that are not from our production, SO be advised that you will recover any thing that can be reovered- not just the files you recorded last.
We opened the Xmf files with a text reader and saw what the names of the files were supposed to be. We assigned the video files the names and the bitmap files and the xmf files. We constructed a new P2 card with this info and were finally able to get the camera at least to see them, but it could not play them and could not repair them.
I contacted Panasonic and talked to 2 P2 card "gurus". Both of these guys stated that the data was unrecoverable and lost forever. Well they were super surprised when I told them I was able to recover any data - so they do not know what is going on with this issue.
I think the only way is to recover on a PC that has not been messed with by a mac. I think the mac has corrupted the files and they are unfixable at this point.
We tried about 10 different solutions to get the recovered data to be viewable- nothing worked. It appears to be corrupted beyond the ability of the camera to fix it.
NOTE: I have heard form a few techs and even an editor that an avid system and some translators out there can just plain read the video file, with no other data needed. The boys in Savannah are going to test the avid theory out. I will let you know.
MOre later-----
We used a mac program called Virtual Labs Recovery. We recovered 3.17 gigs of data but all the names of the files were missing. We tried to give them random names and got nowhere- without names all the data from the .xmf files is useless. We had three large files which are obviously the video files - and a ton of little files. Also we recovered data from really old users. We got some bitmaps that are not from our production, SO be advised that you will recover any thing that can be reovered- not just the files you recorded last.
We opened the Xmf files with a text reader and saw what the names of the files were supposed to be. We assigned the video files the names and the bitmap files and the xmf files. We constructed a new P2 card with this info and were finally able to get the camera at least to see them, but it could not play them and could not repair them.
I contacted Panasonic and talked to 2 P2 card "gurus". Both of these guys stated that the data was unrecoverable and lost forever. Well they were super surprised when I told them I was able to recover any data - so they do not know what is going on with this issue.
I think the only way is to recover on a PC that has not been messed with by a mac. I think the mac has corrupted the files and they are unfixable at this point.
We tried about 10 different solutions to get the recovered data to be viewable- nothing worked. It appears to be corrupted beyond the ability of the camera to fix it.
NOTE: I have heard form a few techs and even an editor that an avid system and some translators out there can just plain read the video file, with no other data needed. The boys in Savannah are going to test the avid theory out. I will let you know.
MOre later-----
it's too bad you couldn't have made an Image copy of the card, then you could have had as many tries with it as you needed.
It's best to never try recovery on the original drive, or in this case memory card, but to make an Image of it, and try recovery on the copy, so you always have a fresh start if something goes wrong, being able to Image the original to another media, over and over again, just in case.
In the future, if you do get a PC system for this usage, you can get a program called Symantec Norton Ghost v9 (v10 is the newest one, but I didn't like it, way to much for this purpose) ... or an older one , called PowerQuest, Drive Image 2002 (it's simpler, before Symantec took them over, and it also works at DOS level, letting you make floppies to bootup with if you need to.)
These are the best programs for making an Image of any type of partition... on the PC platform.
In fact, you could have put the Image of the card to a PC's hard drive, and tried to recover the files from there, rather than having to use another P2 card to experiment with.
Partition Magic allows you to create partitions, easily, on a PC, of any size, and flavor, (Linux, NTFS, FAT, FAT32, ... etc...)
Then, the Drive Image, or Ghost program writes the Image data to the Partition you create.
It's saved me ... many times... from loosing all my data.
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It's best to never try recovery on the original drive, or in this case memory card, but to make an Image of it, and try recovery on the copy, so you always have a fresh start if something goes wrong, being able to Image the original to another media, over and over again, just in case.
In the future, if you do get a PC system for this usage, you can get a program called Symantec Norton Ghost v9 (v10 is the newest one, but I didn't like it, way to much for this purpose) ... or an older one , called PowerQuest, Drive Image 2002 (it's simpler, before Symantec took them over, and it also works at DOS level, letting you make floppies to bootup with if you need to.)
These are the best programs for making an Image of any type of partition... on the PC platform.
In fact, you could have put the Image of the card to a PC's hard drive, and tried to recover the files from there, rather than having to use another P2 card to experiment with.
Partition Magic allows you to create partitions, easily, on a PC, of any size, and flavor, (Linux, NTFS, FAT, FAT32, ... etc...)
Then, the Drive Image, or Ghost program writes the Image data to the Partition you create.
It's saved me ... many times... from loosing all my data.
.
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still working it
still working it
wow, this is getting to be a good thread.
I was at a computer show today and obtained Search and Recover. eh, its no better than anything else infact some tools go to the byte level and some just run and show folders only.
I actually did make an image of the card before monkeying around.
One tool shows me a ton of xml files with all sorts of naming info etc. ANother tool shows me a boot section and a metafile folder with goodies in it. At the moment I have so many tools on this thing I am getting confused, so I need to log what does what and what and go further.
I am sort of glad to see I am not the only person having issues. I see some Avid folks having corrupted items as well. I bascially have two problems. One to unveil the info still on the card, and two to get it to play.
The Norton System Works is hard to find and I have not used it yet.
still working it
wow, this is getting to be a good thread.
I was at a computer show today and obtained Search and Recover. eh, its no better than anything else infact some tools go to the byte level and some just run and show folders only.
I actually did make an image of the card before monkeying around.
One tool shows me a ton of xml files with all sorts of naming info etc. ANother tool shows me a boot section and a metafile folder with goodies in it. At the moment I have so many tools on this thing I am getting confused, so I need to log what does what and what and go further.
I am sort of glad to see I am not the only person having issues. I see some Avid folks having corrupted items as well. I bascially have two problems. One to unveil the info still on the card, and two to get it to play.
The Norton System Works is hard to find and I have not used it yet.
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Jason Ramsey
Admin
It sounds like the original attempt at recovery has foiled any hope of recovering this data. Seeing as how you were able to recover data from a different card using several of these programs, it appears that snapshot had the right idea. Make an image first, and try to recover it. Whatever was done with the mac program has screwed with it enough to make unrecoverable in its full contents.
I wish you luck. I always wonder where 4 or 8 gigs of data could possibly be and how one could recover that data when it is "not there" i.e. not taking up space on the card.
It's magic :thumbsup:
Good luck,
Jason
I wish you luck. I always wonder where 4 or 8 gigs of data could possibly be and how one could recover that data when it is "not there" i.e. not taking up space on the card.
It's magic :thumbsup:
Good luck,
Jason