HVX200's big brother, with 2/3" Lens Mount...Available "soon"!

TedRR said:
Don't feel bad rezfactor, we are in an age like computers.
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Thanks, Ted. I don't feel TOO bad. And I do really like my DSR450's images quite a lot. Sony took some of the sting out by offering a $3,000 rebate that I received two months after buying the camera, so my effective cost was only $12,000, including lens, case, two small Sony bricks, and a charger. My reasoning at the time was, that by the time I was finished outfitting a full-blown HVX200 package, I'd be spending nearly as much as the DSR450 package anyway. Also, I was counting on Panasonic announcing/introducing an HPX500-class camera at LAST April's NAB.

And in the end, the HPX will probably cost quite a bit more than $17K once you add some 8GB cards, glass, and possibly a viewfinder? What really threw me for a loop was the impressive progress on RED. And with RED's recent announcement of a Nikon F-mount option--whoopee! RED's no longer a $17.5K camera + $XX,XXX in glass. It's now a $17.5K camera + a few hundred dollars in Nikkors.

So, although Barry's correct, that the HPX500 is my dream camera come true, RED simply trumps every other offering on the horizon. I just didn't have the faith in Jim those few short months ago when I made my purchase decision. So, yes, I am harboring some cognitive dissonance as a result of recent RED announcements. But I do have a pretty capable 25p widescreen camera to keep shooting with until the Holy Grail of digital cine cameras is actually in production and shipping. Not even arguing RED's impressive image capabilities, it's that shallow, S35-sized, depth-of-field property of its larger imager that I'll be salivating over, once released.
 
A even $14,999 would be killer. I really like the one camera for the world. That is a business move for real. So why would someone buy the hdx900 over this camera. This plus firestore is chrismas for real.

Of course perfect would be $14,999 with lens and 2 8gb p2 cards. But 20k is good also.
 
5000$ for a HD-lens? That would be a bargain. I think it will cost twice as much. But next year for someone who is still looking for his cam will be a splendid year!
And I like the HDX900 - the tapedrive helps a lot as a backup when you shoot documentaries in remote areas and in less difficult situations, shooting with the firestore, the HDX900 has a similar workflow like the HVX. And I bet next year it will ship cheaper, maybe at 19.000$. If it only had a digital input it would be perfect - especially if you have customers who prefer to get a tape...
 
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greenheron said:
By the way, how has the DSR450 preformed for you?
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Sorry for the off-topic reply, but I don't often get to share my Sony DSR450 images much here. But in answer greenheron's query, take a look for yourselves . . .

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Uncorrected Sony DSR450 frame grab; compressed in Photoshop to medium quality at 81K.

This is a standard-definition, 24p, 16:9 image from my 2/3"-CCD Sony DSR450 4:1:1 DVCAM camera.
 
SI Cam

SI Cam

I have been pretty set on buying the HVX200, mostly because the Red is still 6 months away for non reservation holders. Looking at some of these other options mentioned in this thread, I still figured that with an adapter, and for the price, I'd go with the HVX200.

I'm not sure if I was wearing blinders because of Red, or what, but I finally noticed the Silicon Imaging 2K camera:

http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/products.html

Why aren't people on these boards more excited about this? I mean, people are excited about 2/3" SD cams for $20,000 and up. The Silicon Imaging camera looks pretty cool at $12,500 for the mini, and $20,000 or so for the full size cam. It shoots to removable laptop drives (4 hours of continuous shooting!), has a 7" touch screen LCD ... well, check it out yourself if you haven't already.

Rezfactor: nice short "Runway" on youtube. Do you have it hosted anywhere else? I liked it, and would like to see a better quality version. Cheers. :beer:
 
Well guys, I think the problem with the SI camera is still that it does just 2K. Sure it's going to be a very useful design once it's released, I would love to have the Mini for some wicked angles that a medium to large size camera just can't get. But then there's RED which seems to really have its work cut out for it and the RED Team is just constantly feeding us new information about the process whereas the SI people were distributing cameras already and waiting for those projects to get finished. Don't get me wrong, the SI clips I've seen look incredible, but when I can get 4K for a few thousand dollars more then I start to lean more towards the other way.

Ideally you would want both cameras, the Mini for those tight spots and the RED for the basic filming, but whose got the money for that? From the few little things we've heard, the SI sounds good, but we haven't heard anything else other than the basic lowdown and I that's ultimately the reason why people aren't talking too much about it.
 
Mars United said:
Rezfactor: nice short "Runway" on youtube. Do you have it hosted anywhere else? I liked it, and would like to see a better quality version.
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Thanks for checking it out! I don't know if any of the mirrors are still serving, but PM me with your address, and I'll mail you a full-resolution DVD!
 
It's 2K, plus it's still 2/3" so you don't get the 35mm-style DOF. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not breaking the kind of ground that Red is.
 
Mars United said:
Rezfactor: nice short "Runway" on youtube. Do you have it hosted anywhere else? I liked it, and would like to see a better quality version. Cheers. :beer:
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Rezfactor said:
Thanks for checking it out! I don't know if any of the mirrors are still serving, but PM me with your address, and I'll mail you a full-resolution DVD!
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Yup, my Horrorfest Mirror is still up at: http://dvxuser.mikkowilson.com/horrorfest/


Direct link to Runway: http://dvxuser.mikkowilson.com/horrorfest/RUNWAY2-ralphoshiro-rezfactor.mov [49.6MB]

- Mikko
 
Jack_Felis said:
Well guys, I think the problem with the SI camera is still that it does just 2K. Sure it's going to be a very useful design once it's released, I would love to have the Mini for some wicked angles that a medium to large size camera just can't get. But then there's RED which seems to really have its work cut out for it and the RED Team is just constantly feeding us new information about the process whereas the SI people were distributing cameras already and waiting for those projects to get finished. Don't get me wrong, the SI clips I've seen look incredible, but when I can get 4K for a few thousand dollars more then I start to lean more towards the other way.

Ideally you would want both cameras, the Mini for those tight spots and the RED for the basic filming, but whose got the money for that? From the few little things we've heard, the SI sounds good, but we haven't heard anything else other than the basic lowdown and I that's ultimately the reason why people aren't talking too much about it.
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(I have to figure out how to easily quote multiple replies in the same message)

I guess what appeals to me is that the SI appears to be available now, and ... 2K?! That's fantastic at that price! If I got the Red, I'd be shooting 2K anyways, IF that. Don't get me wrong, if Red was available now, I'd get it as soon as I get the $$$ together, but I don't want to wait 6 months. I may not even wait for the SI and just go with the HVX which at least has been out for a while now. Cheers.
 
OK. Sorry for wasting space. I figured out how to quote more than one at a time.

Barry_Green said:
It's 2K, plus it's still 2/3" so you don't get the 35mm-style DOF. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not breaking the kind of ground that Red is.
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Barry, the 2/3" has got to be pretty close, no? I mean, the Varicam is 2/3" and I believe the F900 is as well. Plus I'm pretty sure that you can use 35mm still lenses with the SI cam ... I think. One thing I noticed with the HVX200 footage someone posted comparing the stock lens followed by the M2 adapter, is that even where DOF wasn't an apparent factor, it STILL looked more filmic with the M2. Not sure why that would be.

Rezfactor said:
Thanks for checking it out! I don't know if any of the mirrors are still serving, but PM me with your address, and I'll mail you a full-resolution DVD!
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Hey, thanks! I just checked out Mikko's mirror. I didn't realize it was a horrorfest submission. It felt professional all around. If I don't groan at the acting, that is a huge plus. As well, I really liked the editing and composition. Not tricky and distracting, just professional (to my tastes). Love the shot/color of the jet flying over the sunbathing girl. Nice work.

Yup, my Horrorfest Mirror is still up at: http://dvxuser.mikkowilson.com/horrorfest/


Direct link to Runway: http://dvxuser.mikkowilson.com/horro...-rezfactor.mov [49.6MB]

- Mikko
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Mikko, thanks for the link! Much better than youtube!! :beer:
 
Barry_Green said:
It's 2K, plus it's still 2/3" so you don't get the 35mm-style DOF. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not breaking the kind of ground that Red is.
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True.... But i CANNOT afford a full red package. But i could afford a SI 2k If i REALLLLY hustled.

IT seems like a Great machine.
 
I think RED is now REALLY affordable, now that they've announced the optional Nikon F-mount for RED. This allows you to use high-quality, relatively inexpensive Nikkor 35mm still lenses as primes and zooms. When RED starts shipping, I may be selling my DSR450 real quick!
 
I think the Red will actually be less expensive than the SI-2K (perhaps not the mini). Red = $17500 plus $1000 per Red Drive plus, as RezFactor notes, some inexpensive lenses. The SI is $20,000 to $22,000 which includes storage and you still need the lenses.

The only reason I want the SI is that it is available, I think, sooner (Jan for the full version?).

Sigh. I'm ready to buy either of these cams by the end of this month or next and they aren't available yet! May still go for the HVX200 and upgrade later.
 
With the Nikon F mount being announced (only just found out from this thread), I'm now officially interested in the Red camera for the first time :thumbup:
 
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