David Stump (drifted off topic)

[laguun]

and I thougt this intolerant behavior is more a german trait. So indie guys - stay a little more tolerant - you will see, the people with time, patience and tolerance will win every game, sometimes just at the very end.

hello ludmux, if you are working at the munich rental company i think you are ....
...we in berlin also have these trashtalker, since we dared to expand our 35mm rental, training & production portfolio with hdcam in ~2002. the good news is, that meanwhile the good-talkers are beginning to become the majority, here in berlin at least.

if you take a look on the german market and if you read the german papers which are in this industrial sector - even the german indy film forums, they all do not believe in the red project.

i fully agree. however, one thing is different in berlin. we have the usual quite successful suspects for indie film production here, and all the 5 have been more or less converted if you want so to digital, at least to be fair and not to trashtalk is.

munich, as i hear, is still more in the commercial, TV-episodes etc, as cologne and hamburg are as well. we don´t have as much commercials, TV etc going on here in berlin, but the huge success so many berlin c & b-budget movies has build up digital cinematography quite a bit here... together with really low prices, which is a MUST for B-budgets in berlin. (we often rent out the sony cinealta ~300-400 daily, with lense <500 and are not the cheapest here... (list prices may vary ))

sometime I don´t know if it is just envy, that maybe there is a new successfull way. Nobody exspects jubilation, but we all have to be more respectful among us !

i think many people are afraid that their knowledge is getting worthless (which isnt the case, they just have to add something and can use their 35mm background better), others are snobs and will always be.

We should never forget: Any "glam"-biz, like the music industry, fashion world, art scene, the filmmaking community also attracts kilotons of neurotic ********s (<- dilpomatic enough, i hope ).

 

[Emanuel]

The thing is, I think the fear and rejection of the RED project by a certain faction of the community comes from the brash way it came to being, and the fact it wasn't championed by a known source; either a company with deep film/video roots, or an individual long associated with the movement. How dare "this guy" come into our tight world and proclaim he intends to do what no one else has done yet, AND do it at a price-point that has no historical model?

There isn't "ONE" community but several different ones. So many distinctive film communities is good for the movie business but not for those who are controlling the best part of the cake. This is the cause for all this buzz around RED. I believe RED will be (it is!) a success and this happens here where and when there are forums like dvxuser.com -- that's why there was this hostility against Jarred and his support to this project, our RED project.

EDIT -- I'm coming from the film background (writing, producing, directing and editing) and I always hated the arrogance of my pairs (not only but also against the video world, while others like myself we were seeing our own future from the digital route -- affordable* but not a clone of the elitist 35mm world). Especially those who are working in the cinematography field (sorry me, dvxuser.com fellows from there).

* that democratization pointed by Francis Ford Coppola more than twenty years ago.

 

[Illya Friedman]

Nice, here's a good one that AFAIK we invented about 10 years ago: If the day is nice and sunny, tell your PA's it's time to charge the bounce cards......

So glad you got that one Dominic! :laugh:


I worked with a producer who would vet potential hires by quizzing them on rites of passage.

If you didn't use (or at least know them), then you weren't qualified to work as ANY kind of key. He busted many green "film school DPs" who put down their student/freebie/wedding jobs as professional work experience on their resume and reel. And then took great pleasure in hiring those same "DPs" as interns and PAs on his features.

Really smart guy, one of the best producers I ever worked with.

I.

 

[Damon Botsford]

I worked with a producer who would vet potential hires by quizzing them on rites of passage.

If you didn't use (or at least know them), then you weren't qualified to work as ANY kind of key. He busted many green "film school DPs" who put down their student/freebie/wedding jobs as professional work experience on their resume and reel. And then took great pleasure in hiring those same "DPs" as interns and PAs on his features.

Jesus, you gotta to love the film industry. Can't pull shenanigans like that in too many jobs out there without getting punched right in the mouth.

 

[Emanuel]

There are a lot of different rites of passage as it seems there are a lot of different levels of moviemaking (not exactly the same industry) or a lot of different tabus in each department of the movie business. For instance, the screenwriters have a lot of fun stories (anecdotes) about people coming from the cinematography field or other area of the film industry full of good intentions how to dramatize their own plots or sub-plots. When many of these are just not irrelevant episodes coming from their own personal lifes, without narrative or fictional substance.

 

[Illya Friedman]

Jesus, you gotta to love the film industry. Can't pull shenanigans like that in too many jobs out there without getting punched right in the mouth.

Not so. I've heard similar stories from those who work in D.C., Wall Street, the Armed Forces and as Greame already added, education.

Lot's of wide-eyed hopefuls in any field take themselves way too seriously. Punching a mentor (or superior officer) is a good way to completely miss the point, and ruin your career.

I.

 

[Jim Arthurs]

A friend of mine once hazed a PA by having him drive to pick up a box of "f-stops" from me, and cautioned him to check and make sure it was a full set...

 

[lpcvideo1]

A friend of mine once hazed a PA by having him drive to pick up a box of "f-stops" from me, and cautioned him to check and make sure it was a full set...

That's classic!

 

[esperman]

A friend of mine once hazed a PA by having him drive to pick up a box of "f-stops" from me, and cautioned him to check and make sure it was a full set...

LOL. I would have sent him back for the T stops. Naturally.

 

[jbeale]

In the early days of large-format still photography, I thought there were lenses that actually did use fixed aperture masks. I might be misremembering that, though.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Graeme, I remeber you speaking of the possibility of including a selectable algorithm for sharpness. Any further details on whether or not this will come to life.

Also, at the screening there were two Red models shown. One flash and one for raw output. Will both docks come with the Red One?

 

[Graeme_Nattress]

Bayer demsaic algorithm stuff is still "in the works" - ask Jim about the industrial design stuff!

Graeme

 

[Mr. Blonde]

A feature like that would only continue to promote the Red way of thinking. The more options, the better.

Personally, I prefer smooth milk chocolate, but some people prefer it dark with a bite more bite. :beer: