Hvx200 vs XH-A1 lowlight

You'd have to remember that the HDV footage can be saturated as well. Take out that certain cold that you're seeing.
 
yeah but i really like that cold. if the hvx was able to look like that for some specific works, i would rush to buy one.
 
i own a dvx and a sony hc1 and even CCed the hdv has got something flatter that i can't explain that i like (i put some hc1 footages on http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/...tefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en ).
but i've seen so many exciting hvx footages that i'm lost.
i've noticed that when a hvx footage is badly lite it can really look videoish. but when the work on lights is good the footage is f**** nice. IMO hdv permits more freedom, even when the lighting is bad there's something kind of non-videoish .... but not as nice as the best hvx footages.
 
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good stuff. thanks for effort. gives us some almost real comparisons (Barry has to get his hands on one of these and get the hvx cage match going...
 
Yeah, you should probably just wait until more A1 footage is available, used for narrative productions.

www.starwaypictures.com

If you want more h1 footage to go off of.

Or, you could try them both out yourself.
 
delaro said:
i've just seen this trailer shot with the hvx (without any adapter, mattebox, ....) .... http://www.midnight-film.com/
i'm not sure anymore to go for the A1
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WOE, I wasn't expecting all that. WOW that was nice. With the variable frame rates and a free 8 gig P2 card it is awefully tempting. I must say thought that the A1 seems to be able to definitely hold it's own. The footage of both cameras looks great.
 
Kholi said:
Yeah, you should probably just wait until more A1 footage is available, used for narrative productions.

www.starwaypictures.com

If you want more h1 footage to go off of.

Or, you could try them both out yourself.
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Waiting is a wise thing. That was good footage as well. I'll know soon enough. Thanks for the link.
 
whachusay said:
The footage of both cameras looks great.
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The footage from all these cameras looks great. Even the Z1 puts out a great image.

More and more it's not about the image anymore, as they're all excellent. It's about the features and the workflow and what works for your particular needs.
 
Barry is right. And I feel that at the present moment the HVX and the G1/A1 are the cameras that offer most control over image yet. But I'm thinking its only a matter of time until all companies start including vast image control options on their cameras. It's the future...along with true progressive and tapeless recording (you may now thank me for stating the obvious).
 
Barry_Green said:
The footage from all these cameras looks great. Even the Z1 puts out a great image.

More and more it's not about the image anymore, as they're all excellent. It's about the features and the workflow and what works for your particular needs.
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Barry sumed it up perfectly again. I think at this point people should start to think more about the using the tools, and using the right tools for the right job rather than bantering. Threads like this can be very useful if everything is kept in perspective and it gives people insight into what and how this tool works in comparison to another.

In making my decision I had to wiegh up many factors. A lot of which was to do with my personal workflow, what equipement I presently own, what would need to be changed over? etc.

I did bank on the fact that the A1 was going to produce a similar image to the XLh1, and thus far havent been let down.
 
Barry_Green said:
More and more it's not about the image anymore.
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hdv cams, hvx and sd cams are making very different images.
quality is increasing for all but we have to choose between more various looks.
so it's a question of taste and IMO it will be more and more about the image.
i've seen all the trailers on www.starwaypictures.com and for my tastes "day 11" shot with a xl2 is my favorite. probably because its far less detailed than the H1 ones, less electronic and less perfect, with rich colors. but i'm sure that i would prefer the H1 ones on a big screen in a theatre. so we are not "bantering" about the quality of the cams (they are all impressive and i love a1's footages) but more about the versatility of them. "using the right tool for the right job" is ok when you are doing some institutional/weddings jobs for example but when you're into fiction or music video each job is different.
and isn't it a "bantering" place here? uh? ;)
 
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Delaro,

You'd have to consider the fact that the content creators used the look to help the image in Day 11.

Really, the workflow and such is honestly the bottom-line, now-a-days. That and price. You can tweak the HVX to look gritty... just look at Illegal in the HVX section. It looks gritty, because they wanted it too.

You just have to know how to twist the wrist of the camera's final image to get it to do what you want.
 
Kholi said:
Delaro,

You'd have to consider the fact that the content creators used the look to help the image in Day 11.

Really, the workflow and such is honestly the bottom-line, now-a-days. That and price. You can tweak the HVX to look gritty... just look at Illegal in the HVX section. It looks gritty, because they wanted it too.

You just have to know how to twist the wrist of the camera's final image to get it to do what you want.
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of course, but even with heavy CC hdv always looks like hdv. i pushed my hdv very far in CC to experiment. i don t say it's bad, i like it a lot but sometimes i want something more organic like on my dvx. and in the other way i've never seen the hdv coldness that i like in the hundreds of hvx footages i've downloaded. so i'll probably go for both cam, hvx and a1 or v1.
 
delaro said:
of course, but even with heavy CC hdv always looks like hdv. i pushed my hdv very far in CC to experiment. i don t say it's bad, i like it a lot but sometimes i want something more organic like on my dvx. and in the other way i've never seen the hdv coldness that i like in the hundreds of hvx footages i've downloaded. so i'll probably go for both cam, hvx and a1 or v1.
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Yea, but you forget that the Canon Does SD as well with true 16:9, I think that the DVX is nearly becoming obsolete in a way. I agree that the DVX will still be used for years to come, and HD wont be adopted for many years, but considering the price point of the XHA1, I see the DVX being less relevant for future people to purchase and create with.
 
For the most part, I agree that with the A1 the DVX is getting in obsolete territory.

As for the HVX vs the A1, the footage was quite cool. The A1 appears to be maintaining the resolution advantage that the XLH1 had. That said, I still like the colors and image that the HVX200 produces and P2 and variable frame-rates are still things I wouldn't want to lose. My biggest concern continues to be with HDV. I havn't worked with Canon HDV yet. I understand that it's better than Sony HDV (which is awful) and JVC HDV (which is better but still not great). If it holds up OK in post and with a lot of motion, it may be worth it for some to invest in an A1 for really wide shots where the extra bit of detail would help and stick to the HVX200 for most other shots.
 
magichristopher said:
Yea, but you forget that the Canon Does SD as well with true 16:9, I think that the DVX is nearly becoming obsolete in a way. I agree that the DVX will still be used for years to come, and HD wont be adopted for many years, but considering the price point of the XHA1, I see the DVX being less relevant for future people to purchase and create with.
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of course. i was not comparing a1 to dvx, i was just speaking about the pana look considering that the hvx and the dvx get this organic feeling in common.
i agree david, i want both too.
i've seen some nice a1 footages. i'm just waiting for uncompressed faces and human close-ups footages to see how well it is for fiction or music videos.
 
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