Bummed!!!

'Why on earth would someone buy a camera like this if it wasn't used in a fiscally-proven and sustainable way?'

plain & simple = because i ( we) can ...
 
JK.. but seriously. Im not shooting features or shorts on a weekly basis or anything.. i do go on tours (music and freestyle dirt bike shoots) every so often.. and i plan on eventually getting into more indi's and commercial type work.. so yahh i wont be using this camera a lot up front.. but i think of it as a business investment.. we have the opportunity right now to buy this camera at the set price of 17.5 (reservation).. to me thats damn good. but the benefit of owning this camera is the fact that i will know the camera backwards and forwards come call time on the next brian singer film...jk about that part.. but really, ill know the camera and thats worth it. a renter might be able to read up and use the camera on a shoot to shoot basis but the hands on experience of owning the camera .. thats priceless

now lenses on the other hand.. i dont get that investment...
those u can rent.. u can own ur own nikkor set but zeiss? cooke? come on.. buy a steadicam system instead
 
I can foresee weeks and months of exploration with this camera for me even if it's just walking about in the local woodlands shooting random scenes at the weekend. Perhaps I won't be making a great deal of money to begin with but what I can learn from such a tool and some decent accessories is worth far more to me than the ammount of money required to buy it. I love the idea of going to film school to learn the trade but I know too many people who have gone this route and had no success having completed it. At least owning the camera means that I won't be sat on my arse when I could be learning the hard way (Often the best way to learn in my opinion).
 
im one of them.. never go to brooks school of photography for FILM.. maybe photography.. or graphic design. just not for film. its a waste of time and more importantly money... i dropped that place fast!. But yah.. ill be doing alot of filming of my dogs.. horses.. the beach.. the usH...
 
I don't think a 70" projection TV is going to make me any money, but that won't stop me from getting it.

In fact, I am sure it will cost me money as it takes up my time ;)
 
Homersapien said:
I can foresee weeks and months of exploration with this camera for me even if it's just walking about in the local woodlands shooting random scenes at the weekend. Perhaps I won't be making a great deal of money to begin with but what I can learn from such a tool and some decent accessories is worth far more to me than the ammount of money required to buy it. I love the idea of going to film school to learn the trade but I know too many people who have gone this route and had no success having completed it. At least owning the camera means that I won't be sat on my arse when I could be learning the hard way (Often the best way to learn in my opinion).
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Good on you Homersapien! - I have been making shorts & music video's (all have played festivals and been broadcast internationally) for the past 15 years. I am completely self-taught and believe me, this can be a huge asset.

It all comes down to personalities - some people feel the need to go to school, others don't. I have friends and colleagues that have attended film schools including the N.F.T.S, London International, NYU and USC and the majority consensus among them seems to be that they all felt short-changed in different ways. A lot of the discontent boils down to two things - the excessive fees and the fact that they all had to un-learn a lot of what they were taught once they left school and tried to make their way in the industry. These people are now all successful and they all claim that they would have succeeded sooner if they had found their OWN way into filmmaking.

If you are stuck for a few places to start networking in the U.K., I can recommend going to www.shootingpeople.org and www.skillset.org the last one is the industry's careers and training body. At the moment they are offering heavily subsidised training courses (up to 80% off) for FCP, Avid, DVD Studio Pro & Shake among others.

All the best:thumbup:
 
Cheers Adam, I've looked at both in the past. I was contemplating film school earlier this year and skillset does appear to offer a fair bit of advise. Unfortunately alot of what goes on in the UK seems to be advice and not enough indies getting out there and stuck in! I'll be very interested to lend my equipment with talent in the early days to indie projects for pretty cheap if not for free just to get a feel for shooting with Red One. I don't expect to become rich from owning the camera but I certainly envisage it altering my lifestyle in a positive way (Getting away from this computer would be a great start :)). If I can earn a living from it that would be incredible as far as I'm concerned.
 
Homersapien said:
Unfortunately alot of what goes on in the UK seems to be advice and not enough indies getting out there and stuck in!
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Oh I could write a book about that! - One thing that you will face time and time again in the UK is an overwhelmingly negative attitude within the industry towards indie film makers. I believe that we need more people making movies in the UK who actually understand cinema and love it. On both counts it is very hard to find such people, although they do exist and I have had the pleasure of working with a quite a few.

What I would love to see is more individuals going out there and making their own stories with real imagination and verve instead of the pious sociology lessons that are by-and-large the only game in town here:zombie_smiley:
(i'm not bitter, honest:) !!!).

Although you will undoubtably work with many wonderful collaborators during your future projects, If you adopt the attitude that you can (ultimately) only rely on your own ability to see things through - then i'm sure you'll do fine. KEEP GOING, NO MATTER WHAT!

Kind regards,

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So you guys are encouraging me to to grab my balls go into debt buy the red and start the adventure even though I have not set way for this cam to pay for itself other than using it for wedding which is ludicrous?

And thank Zakaree for the tip on renting lens you are absolutely right about that.

Hey Jim Janard,

What do you think are the "getting started" must haves for this cam?
Is there a cheap starter lens that you can recommend?
I don't need full 4k right now I can grow into that. Is the rail nessary? foes it work on a regular tripod and plate? can you use a regular firewire hard drive?
 
Red Wedding!

Red Wedding!

Technically of course a Red could be quite useful for wedding filming. If your delivery is SD, then you could shoot the whole thing in a 4k wide shot, and in the edit be able to cut between the wide and a selection of close-ups.

Try doing it with the exterior still of the two girls. You can get a very close single of either girl at SD resolution.

Not saying it's ideal, but it does give the potential for multi-camera type shoots on a budget. I've shot interviews single camera HD, then changed size in post to avoid the need for cutaways at edits.
 
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Nick_Shaw said:
Technically of course a Red could be quite useful for wedding filming. If your delivery is SD, then you could shoot the whole thing in a 4k wide shot, and in the edit be able to cut between the wide and a selection of close-ups.
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I did this a while back in a corporate job I was doing using timelapse and it worked far better than I was expecting. It was shot on a digital stills camera and it allowed me to do some impressive looking virtual pans and slow zooms. I found the crucial thing to make it convincing was to add perspective distortion to simulate the appropriate viewing position. The end result was SD on DVD so resolution wasn't an issue. It was a compromise but they didn't have much budget and the end result managed to look like a three camera motion control shoot... From one static stills camera.

Martin
 
hey that's a great idea nickshaw. I purposely mak sure my student aux guys never go in to tight with the Z1 because I use the zoom to fix problems later.
 
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