Muttondraw
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kalone said:
So do I. I had sort of budgeted 15% for duty (just a wild off the top of my head guess). So if it comes in with no duty..... NICE!
Martin
Will Red be cheaper out of state?
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So do I. I had sort of budgeted 15% for duty (just a wild off the top of my head guess). So if it comes in with no duty..... NICE!
Martin
Stephen W
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Muttondraw said:
If you register as a business and register for VAT you get your 17.5% back.
Import duty (based on some enquiries a few of us have made) seems likely to fall in the 3.9-4.9% tax bracket. Customs can't give an exact classification until there's something to classify! However the thing that seems to be of importance is that there is no tape-recording machanism, hence it's not a VCR (so no 12.5% tax!)
In fact there's no internal recording at all, so it'll be interesting to see how exactly it does get classified. It may fall into the IT bracket (after all, it's essentially a computer with an imager on the front). It might be an idea for a few of us to put forward to Customs that we'll be importing these and see how they want to proceed (we don't want them held up for weeks while someone makes a decision!)
Nick_Shaw
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If you're buying a camera and a couple of RedDrives, presumably each item gets classified separately as far as duty is concerned. I don't think anyone would classify a RedDrive as anything other that IT, as it is essentially just a multi-interface external drive.
Maybe the 'television camera' category is intended to mean studio cameras, with no internal recording, so this might be the closest match.
Anybody know about UK/EU import duty on lenses?
Nick
Maybe the 'television camera' category is intended to mean studio cameras, with no internal recording, so this might be the closest match.
Anybody know about UK/EU import duty on lenses?
Nick
Stephen W
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Nick_Shaw said:
6.7%.
This is assuming you're buying a Red Lens (imported from the States). If you're buying Cooke (UK), Zeiss (Germany) or Angenieux (France) then you shouldn't pay any duty at all (unless for some reason you want to buy them in the US then import them back to the UK!)
Muttondraw
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As far as I understand it it is the country of origin (which must be stated on the invoice/customs papers) that determines the import duty if any. Thus lenses made in the EU like Cooke, Zeiss and Angenieux are duty free even if you buy them from USA and "re-import" to EU. VAT you have to pay, but for a business that is not an issue, as long as you are making more money than spending it... And I suppose most RED buyers would get it for business purposes. As for those who are buying it only for a hobby I have no pity...
Nick_Shaw
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This discussion of import duty has made me start thinking about the issue of CE marking. Some quick research shows that devices running solely from DC at voltages lower than 75V do not require CE marking. However I just looked at my Canon DSLR, and notice that it is CE marked. I seem to remember (although I cannot find the detail) that something which can run from an external mains PSU may still need CE marking.
If the Red does fall foul of this legislation, is this something which might delay the time at which we can bring Reds into the EU? Maybe the team at Red are already on top of this issue. They have proved themselves to be very on the ball with everything else.
Thoughts anyone?
Nick
If the Red does fall foul of this legislation, is this something which might delay the time at which we can bring Reds into the EU? Maybe the team at Red are already on top of this issue. They have proved themselves to be very on the ball with everything else.
Thoughts anyone?
Nick
Muttondraw
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Nick_Shaw said:
I am pretty sure that doesn't apply if you import directly anyway. It may be an issue if there was distribution in the UK, but I believe It is only relevant if you are selling within the EU.
Martin
Nick_Shaw
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I'm not sure you're right there. I certainly know that other EU rules such as the RoSH directive, which prevents us here in the EU buying HD CRT monitors which are available in the US and Japan, applies equally to private and commercial imports.
I'll keep researching.
Nick
I'll keep researching.
Nick
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Muttondraw
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Nick_Shaw said:
Hmm. You may well be right. I thought CE only applied to resale but it seems to apply to any machine which is put into service.
Martin
Muttondraw
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Nick_Shaw said:
Reading the DTI guidance on the Low voltage directive http://www.dti.gov.uk/files/file11270.pdf it seems to imply that CE marking isn't necessary.
Second hand sales are specifically excluded. there is a general requirement on the seller that the item be "safe" but it doesn't have to compy with CE marking requirements.
At least thats how I read it.
Martin
Nick_Shaw
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The pdf does say "persons who hire out electrical equipment in the course of business" are affected by the regulations, although it is not entirely clear if this includes CE marking. Although I do not intend to dry hire my Red, I wonder if hiring out myself and the camera as a package would put me into this category?
I'm in France and often buy equipment from the US. Normally you'd have to pay the VAT plus import tax if you get this kind of item shipped to EU, the total goes above 20%.
So I think anybody will agree here that it will be much cheaper to buy a ticket and fly to CA and pick up the baby in person. This way you'll get to see the place where the "revolution" all started, maybe meet some of the "leaders". And then you just bring back the camera with you as a personal item. So no tax.
BUT (there's always a but) the customs can check you out and ask you for a receipt. That's where you have to be carefull, if you show the Red invoice then you're f.... cause they know you just bought it to bring it back to France and they'll make you pay all the taxes plus extra.
Or you show an invoice with older dates...
If you buy a Red One, I assume you know how to use Photoshop.
Of course I did not say anything and this message will auto destruct when Red starts delivery.
Red #722
So I think anybody will agree here that it will be much cheaper to buy a ticket and fly to CA and pick up the baby in person. This way you'll get to see the place where the "revolution" all started, maybe meet some of the "leaders". And then you just bring back the camera with you as a personal item. So no tax.
BUT (there's always a but) the customs can check you out and ask you for a receipt. That's where you have to be carefull, if you show the Red invoice then you're f.... cause they know you just bought it to bring it back to France and they'll make you pay all the taxes plus extra.
Or you show an invoice with older dates...
If you buy a Red One, I assume you know how to use Photoshop.
Of course I did not say anything and this message will auto destruct when Red starts delivery.
Red #722
Muttondraw
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Nick_Shaw said:
I took that to mean the Low Voltage regulations rather than the CE mark requirements. So the equipment has to be safe but doesn't have to have a CE mark.
"Hired / leased electrical equipment: The safety of electrical equipment that is supplied by way of hiring it out in the course of business is also controlled by the Regulations. Suppliers of such equipment must ensure that it satisfies the safety requirements however, there is no requirement to comply with General Condition 1(b) of the Safety Objectives provided for in the Regulations (see Annex A). Hired/leased equipment is to be considered as new equipment until it is supplied to an enduser in the EEA."
Martin
Muttondraw
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kikourof said:
If you try this and they suss you they will seize the camera. Not temporarily, gone for good. Personally I would prefer to pay the tax.
Martin
visceralpsyche
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So it's basically a big USB webcam then? :laugh:Stephen W said:
kikourof said:
But be careful - if you have to sent back the camera because of a damage and they send it back to you - the customs maybe want to have an import receipt - we had this case with an underwater housing, which we sent from germany to the us and got it back - and it took some time to find the import papers some years ago