1k Bubble Girl video up
- Thread starter Jarred Land
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Uploaded on fast server
Uploaded on fast server
I liked the "bubble girl" eventhough it was only 0.5 vs 11 megapixels of the RED camera. For any next shots posted (hopefully larger), I think it's a better idea to upload to a really fast - free server instead of torrent, with constant and maximum download rates.
The best I can think of (and I've tested) is Rapidshare, so I've uploaded it for those who haven't download it yet.
Cons for free version:
-You just have to wait 90 sec the first time until download starts, but the next time you'll have to wait 20 min or more (except if you re-connect with a 2min break to change your dynamic ip
.
-No download accelerators (or limited use).
Pros:
-Probably the biggest and fastest server available currently (360 Terabytes/ 45Gb/s), no pop-ups.
To download:
*Click on the following link without download accelerator .
*Click on "Free" down-right and in the following page wait for the countdown (90 sec).
*Enter the 3 characters on the box and click the button to start downloading.
http://rapidshare.de/files/36371737/bubblemovie.mov
Note to Windows users:
Forget quicktime with it's permanent gamma bugs (on Windows) and its sluggish performance. Download VLC player to enjoy the clip and enable loop playback (Settings-> preferences->Playlist->Repeat all->Save)
http://downloads.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/0.8.5/win32/vlc-0.8.5-win32.exe
Uploaded on fast server
I liked the "bubble girl" eventhough it was only 0.5 vs 11 megapixels of the RED camera. For any next shots posted (hopefully larger), I think it's a better idea to upload to a really fast - free server instead of torrent, with constant and maximum download rates.
The best I can think of (and I've tested) is Rapidshare, so I've uploaded it for those who haven't download it yet.
Cons for free version:
-You just have to wait 90 sec the first time until download starts, but the next time you'll have to wait 20 min or more (except if you re-connect with a 2min break to change your dynamic ip
. -No download accelerators (or limited use).
Pros:
-Probably the biggest and fastest server available currently (360 Terabytes/ 45Gb/s), no pop-ups.
To download:
*Click on the following link without download accelerator .
*Click on "Free" down-right and in the following page wait for the countdown (90 sec).
*Enter the 3 characters on the box and click the button to start downloading.
http://rapidshare.de/files/36371737/bubblemovie.mov
Note to Windows users:
Forget quicktime with it's permanent gamma bugs (on Windows) and its sluggish performance. Download VLC player to enjoy the clip and enable loop playback (Settings-> preferences->Playlist->Repeat all->Save)
http://downloads.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/0.8.5/win32/vlc-0.8.5-win32.exe
Faceman said:
yeah.. i dont think that will ever change. I agree with Jim in terms of raw footage being released like that, its always better not to be forced to make excuses, even if they are valid.
I was having a bad hair day anyway.
acehole111
Well-known member
Just throwing an idea here. But how about a reservation holders only section with a login and password. And most important is avoiding any fanfare when posting development videos. So its not so King Kong like "Behold! An Image from the Mysterium sensor!!"
I think tone of voice and presntation would play an important part in letting the reservation holders understand that the footage is preliminary. No flashy graphics, no clever copy. Just a bunch of text links on a page. And letting only the reservation holders see the footage means that you wont have to worry about doing any of the constant counter PR with any potential customers.
I think tone of voice and presntation would play an important part in letting the reservation holders understand that the footage is preliminary. No flashy graphics, no clever copy. Just a bunch of text links on a page. And letting only the reservation holders see the footage means that you wont have to worry about doing any of the constant counter PR with any potential customers.
Brook Willard
Well-known member
Because then certain non-reservation-holding fanatics like myself would be S.O.L.
acehole111
Well-known member
As for non reservation holders, the videos would be leakable. But thats the point, it would be an indirect leak "spy shot" and not a self fledged piece of promotion by the company. In other words, it remains unofficial as a leak. Which creates a degree of seperation between the marketing of the camera and the test shots.
PR 101.
PR 101.
I think this is incredibly unfortunate. This community was asked to collaborate, critique and comment - and we have.
I count myself squarely as a supporter of RED and what it represents to the greater film movement - I hope to be the first production house in Charlotte with comprehensive RED packages.
As someone who shoots professionally for broadcast, I view cameras as nothing more than tools. I'm pragmatic and analytical about them. Anyone who has worked with me knows this is so, even when I talk about the HVX200. I'm as agnostic as they come.
I can't comment on any other post, but I will say that all I asked for was something different in the next batch of images.
If that was taken as an attack on the larger movement or the camera itself, then it was taken wildly out of context. I'm sorry if it was.
Anyway, perhaps we might see some Texas footage in the near future and we can all be happy again.
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I count myself squarely as a supporter of RED and what it represents to the greater film movement - I hope to be the first production house in Charlotte with comprehensive RED packages.
As someone who shoots professionally for broadcast, I view cameras as nothing more than tools. I'm pragmatic and analytical about them. Anyone who has worked with me knows this is so, even when I talk about the HVX200. I'm as agnostic as they come.
I can't comment on any other post, but I will say that all I asked for was something different in the next batch of images.
If that was taken as an attack on the larger movement or the camera itself, then it was taken wildly out of context. I'm sorry if it was.
Anyway, perhaps we might see some Texas footage in the near future and we can all be happy again.
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stevesherrick
Well-known member
Jim,
I think you've made the right decision. We've got a taste of what this camera's potential is. Is there anyone doubting whether this camera will come to market? I'm pretty convinced by what I've seen both in terms of the business approach and the technical information and examples you have provided. Now it's probably time to lock down, do extensive internal testing, and deliver a revolutionary camera! Perhaps as you reach the point where you have compiled a nice assortment of test footage, you could send the reservation holders a copy on DVD. I would be happy with that.
Of course, I love seeing footage or stills, but I do believe that the best testing that can happen will be internal, with a variety of experts collaborating with you, running the camera through the vigors of production, and perfecting it with great determination. I respect everyone on this forum, and there are some extremely qualified professionals who I envy quite a bit, but wthout the camera in their hands, watching footage on calibrated monitors, seeing what the final product will deliver in terms of sensor capability, processing, etc., your gains are minimal compared to the gains you will have when you bring in the best people to test it.
I'm amazed at your ability to stay in touch with your future customers the way you have and keep us informed about all of these developements. I for one respect whatever you decide to do moving forward, but figured I'd add my two cents.
Thanks!
Steve
I think you've made the right decision. We've got a taste of what this camera's potential is. Is there anyone doubting whether this camera will come to market? I'm pretty convinced by what I've seen both in terms of the business approach and the technical information and examples you have provided. Now it's probably time to lock down, do extensive internal testing, and deliver a revolutionary camera! Perhaps as you reach the point where you have compiled a nice assortment of test footage, you could send the reservation holders a copy on DVD. I would be happy with that.
Of course, I love seeing footage or stills, but I do believe that the best testing that can happen will be internal, with a variety of experts collaborating with you, running the camera through the vigors of production, and perfecting it with great determination. I respect everyone on this forum, and there are some extremely qualified professionals who I envy quite a bit, but wthout the camera in their hands, watching footage on calibrated monitors, seeing what the final product will deliver in terms of sensor capability, processing, etc., your gains are minimal compared to the gains you will have when you bring in the best people to test it.
I'm amazed at your ability to stay in touch with your future customers the way you have and keep us informed about all of these developements. I for one respect whatever you decide to do moving forward, but figured I'd add my two cents.
Thanks!
Steve
Gordon Prince
Well-known member
This scheduling will happen only if the camera will deliver. If not, it'll be used the rental offer (F900) like it'll happen next January. (sorry, I'm not introduce myself... I'm one of filmmaker's partners.)Jim Arthurs said:
filmmaker1977
Carbonite Member
what do you want to mean?.. it's 1k but coming from a sensor of 11 megapixels or not?Proteus said:
agreed.Jim Arthurs said:
overlandfilms said:
You kept making two posits :
One of the posits was for a wider arrray of footage, BUT...
the second was this
The text in yellow isn't militating against seeing anything less than perfect production footage ?
Whatever. Jim will be marketing his camera however he wishes, and maybe the hassle of explaining the interim footage -> 'perfect' footage continuum, is taking away their focus from dealing with the important stuff. It's dissappointing , but understandable. The people who asked for a more traditional approach to showing footage got what they wanted. Fine.
I look forward to the production footage of varying environments and DOF...whenever they can make sure it's perfect, of course.
Just my 3 pence
RED # rebel with a clue
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filmmaker1977
Carbonite Member
but what's the beef with the footage?.. wasn't it perfect and didn't i notice?.. the only bug was that QT (or other players) vs. VLC.. not big deal maybe and easily understandable with an easy explanation.. in this way, believers aside (like myself), it seems there are reasons to not show..
Jim Arthurs
Well-known member
Gordon Prince said:
Gordon, welcome to the forum. Good luck to you both with your project!
In a different thread, Jarred re-affirmed the schedule with hoped for release by end of first quarter of '07. That is an amazingly tight development cycle. I would love to see the camera before summer of '07, but am mentally prepared for a much longer wait if needed.
Regards,
D&G, you make a good point. I can see where that post perhaps pushed toward the point of a challenge.
I still feel that a camera of this caliber should be tested within the very best environment and afforded every opportunity through the development period to really shine.
I simply cannot believe that the resources to make it perfect do not or could not exist at RED - from the CAD drawing board through development and fabrication this machine shows incredible promise at a staggering pricepoint.
Remember, I am not someone who has posted on grain, dead pixels, cadence and so forth. I don't believe that we have the capacity to judge those things here at fractional resolutions within Internet-capable viewers.
Therefore, I focused more on what I'd like to see in test footage. That's all.
I was amazed at the MacBeth Color Checker still that was posted some time ago, and my comment to another poster reflects this. RED has accomplished a filmlike (or better?!) color rendering in what I believe to be an ungraded, raw format. That is spectacular. That image did what it set out to do: it was a bench test. It looked like a bench test and the camera delivered (very well) within that parameter.
For someone to question why the color chart was crooked within the frame would have been asinine, petty and illogical. I don't feel that it is outlandish to ask for better technical discipline in the "creative and artistic" representation of RED - even as it is under the final stages of development. You only have one opportunity to make a first impression and I feel that RED deserves the best opportunity in this area.
I have been wrong many times in my history and hope that Jim and his team know that I'm enthused, supportive and hope that I can contribute in some miniscule way to the success of the final product.
What the hell do I know? The first thing ever recorded in sound was Mary Had a Little Lamb. That little diddy is world-famous and didn't seem to hurt phonograph sales in the least.
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I still feel that a camera of this caliber should be tested within the very best environment and afforded every opportunity through the development period to really shine.
I simply cannot believe that the resources to make it perfect do not or could not exist at RED - from the CAD drawing board through development and fabrication this machine shows incredible promise at a staggering pricepoint.
Remember, I am not someone who has posted on grain, dead pixels, cadence and so forth. I don't believe that we have the capacity to judge those things here at fractional resolutions within Internet-capable viewers.
Therefore, I focused more on what I'd like to see in test footage. That's all.
I was amazed at the MacBeth Color Checker still that was posted some time ago, and my comment to another poster reflects this. RED has accomplished a filmlike (or better?!) color rendering in what I believe to be an ungraded, raw format. That is spectacular. That image did what it set out to do: it was a bench test. It looked like a bench test and the camera delivered (very well) within that parameter.
For someone to question why the color chart was crooked within the frame would have been asinine, petty and illogical. I don't feel that it is outlandish to ask for better technical discipline in the "creative and artistic" representation of RED - even as it is under the final stages of development. You only have one opportunity to make a first impression and I feel that RED deserves the best opportunity in this area.
I have been wrong many times in my history and hope that Jim and his team know that I'm enthused, supportive and hope that I can contribute in some miniscule way to the success of the final product.
What the hell do I know? The first thing ever recorded in sound was Mary Had a Little Lamb. That little diddy is world-famous and didn't seem to hurt phonograph sales in the least.
e
Brook Willard
Well-known member
I would just hate to see our window into development closed on us because it doesn't go over well with one single feature film's preproduction crew.
Damon Botsford
Court Jester
Jannard said:
Major bummer.
This was supposed to be FUN. Nothing like a few sadsacks to kill the experience... Good job. I'll relish the time we shared killing bandwidth.
Because my post seemed to get lost in a brawl I delete and post again now that it seems the brawl is cooling down...
I did a colorgrading for some usual filmlike effects... 1 warm and 1 cold.
Did it under 1 minute so it's not perfect, but shows how the material can look when it's not directly from the RED. It's not showing the sharpness, just the colors.
http://filexoom.com/files/2006/10/11/24905/BubbleColor2.mov
I did a colorgrading for some usual filmlike effects... 1 warm and 1 cold.
Did it under 1 minute so it's not perfect, but shows how the material can look when it's not directly from the RED. It's not showing the sharpness, just the colors.
http://filexoom.com/files/2006/10/11/24905/BubbleColor2.mov
filmmaker1977 said:
I see your point filmmaker1977 but, giving us a 22 times smaller clip as a "sample" for a unique extreme super HD camera, especially after the huge projection at IBC, it's like letting a child to lick its favorite candy and then take it away! Now how do you expect a child would react?
Seriously, since I am an HD addict (up to a childish point maybe), I hardly enjoy anything less than 1080p so ..that's what I meant: I saw some hope on that little tiny sample!
acehole111
Well-known member
Glazarus said:
I did notice your post, but to be honest the colour grading isnt cutting it for me.. The luminance goes out of whack. I think one needs to be a bit more nuanced when it comes to grading, its quite a subtle art.
But I do like the overall look, i think the blue looks great. Its very filmic.
overlandfilms said:
:beer: :beer: :beer:
That's my goal too. And to fulfill my artistic and business stuff.
Bubblegum girl :
Glaz, That's an interesting cc there.
This may be a little heretical, on a digi forum, but I'm interested in seeing how RED 4K put through REDcine and a finishing cc software, may emulate certain film emulsions I love. Certain pastels, or more painterly (think Chris Doyle) applications. I know RED will be like films cousin, rather than film itself, and that's part of the excitement. How to meld the characteristics of HD and film, while adding your own aesthetics to the equation?
It's kind of exciting to pioneer that (at least on a small personal level). Hopefully, this community can share notes to get the widest arrray of possibilities.
RED #'s rebel with a clue