Canon or Sony?

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Any thoughts on the A1 vs. V1u? With only $300 separating them does the 24p of the Sony push it's nose ahead? How about Picture quality? If it were your money, What do you guys think?

Cheers,
Jeremy
 
Virtual-one said:
sony is the most noise free camera
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We should wait until we've actually seen footage, especially comparison footage, to make that determination. But if Mikko's footage is in any way accurate this would be a fair statement.

Where did we see it's a $300 difference? The V1U is $4800, the XHA1 is $3999.
 
Thanks for the links guys! Very informative. OK so how about workflow? I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Canon's 24f can't be imported directly into Final Cut Pro... Is this the case? How about Sony's progressive 24p? This could be the deal maker for me.

Cheers,
Jeremy
 
Sony's progressive footage can be imported natively into any NLE because it is broken down into an interlaced image for editing and reconverted into progressive on output again. Its non-destructive by the way.
 
Ahh, so it looks like the street price for the V1U is set: $4300. Also, a dealer on DVInfo said the A1 will go for $3999 MAP. So there you have it, the race is on.

I'm going to wait for footage and reviews too but it's going to be a tough call for me. CCD versus CMOS? The A1 has a wider lens but V1U is 1 lb lighter and a little smaller. 24F versus 24P on 60i? Image tweaks? A1 will have a lot but V1U may have even more due to CMOS and LUTs...who knows. The deciding factor will probably be ergonomics and how the Zoom/Focus/Iris feel.

Hmmmm, can't decide. I'll probably go to DV Expo West in November to check 'em both out.
 
Tim Le said:
Ahh, so it looks like the street price for the V1U is set: $4300. Also, a dealer on DVInfo said the A1 will go for $3999 MAP. So there you have it, the race is on.

I'm going to wait for footage and reviews too but it's going to be a tough call for me. CCD versus CMOS? The A1 has a wider lens but V1U is 1 lb lighter and a little smaller. 24F versus 24P on 60i? Image tweaks? A1 will have a lot but V1U may have even more due to CMOS and LUTs...who knows. The deciding factor will probably be ergonomics and how the Zoom/Focus/Iris feel.

Hmmmm, can't decide. I'll probably go to DV Expo West in November to check 'em both out.
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your not the only one!!!

I also like the size of the V1.
 
Tim Le said:
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I'm going to wait for footage and reviews too but it's going to be a tough call for me. CCD versus CMOS? The A1 has a wider lens but V1U is 1 lb lighter and a little smaller. 24F versus 24P on 60i? Image tweaks? A1 will have a lot but V1U may have even more due to CMOS and LUTs...who knows

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For me deciding factor was the resolution, sensors size and proven technology that provides full HDV2 quality. I work both with i and p (or F). That's why I have pre-ordered Canon XH-A1. In progressive mode both cameras will produce similar results making the choice very subjective, but I think Canon will have slight edge.

Sensor size is important for selective focus. 35mm adapter will not be handy always.

I don't like marketing tricks and image comparisons on Sony's website which are rather inconsistent with what we have already seen and tested many times. We should take it lightly.

CMOS vs CCD does not have significant influence on final image quality. DSLR cameras are good example of that. Canon's DSLRs have the lead, but it's not because of CMOS technology.

Mikko's V1 footage is nice, but does not show anything better than existing products.

Good thing is there are more and more choices coming. People who favor Sony and/or got used to Z1 or FX1 will most likely choose V1. V1 is definitely step in the right direction. Cano-folks like me, will prefer A1 or G1.

Let's be happy and make good movies. Peace :)
 
I'm not really biased towards any brand. I own several Sony MiniDV camcorders but I have all Canon still photography equipment. I think Canon makes great stuff and from an innovation and technology standpoint, it's a great company. Last year alone they were issued over 1,800 U.S. patents, which ranks them #2 right behind IBM.

Honestly, I think the picture quality of both these cameras will probably be very similar. So for me it will come down to operational aspects like lens range and size and weight. The A1 weighs in at about 5 lbs fully loaded which is really porky for a handheld camera. But it makes up for that with a nice wide zoom range. The 37.4mm wide end on the V1 is kind of bugging me. But the V1 has that slick integration with the HDD, is slimmer and trimmer and has a larger and probably better transflective LCD monitor.
 
Hobbes00 said:
Whats the difference between both their LCD monitor?
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Canon's LCD looks more like the one on the FX1/Z1 (which is amazing). Sony made the mistake of droping the amazing idea they had when they built the Fx1/Z1 lcd's.
 
I'm waiting to see footage from both cameras, but it's going to be a tough decision. Especially waiting out the release of the V1u seeing as how the Canon's are on the horizon.

Right now, though, the Sony sounds nice just because of the HDMI out. I'm guesstimaing that building a Cube PC based around BlackMagic's Intensity Card (HDMI capture) would work just fine for field capture.

Then again if the A1 is supposed to be a Mini H1 minus SDi capabilities... Quality takes the cake.

=( Why does it have to be so hard?
 
rawfa said:
Canon's LCD looks more like the one on the FX1/Z1 (which is amazing).
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NO WAY!
The LCD on the Sony Z1U beats the crap out of the viewfinder the XL-H1 comes with. Technically I don't know, but VISUALLY...the Sony LCD looks about "twice" as better then the Canon version. I envy the viewfinder on the Sony. it's so good, you really don't need a Marshall monitor with that camera. However, the XL-H1 almost requires one!
 
The canon A1 or the Sony V1. Both have good features. So it looks like the only way to decide is to wait to see what people say about them after they come out.
 
ShannonRawls said:
NO WAY!
The LCD on the Sony Z1U beats the crap out of the viewfinder the XL-H1 comes with. Technically I don't know, but VISUALLY...the Sony LCD looks about "twice" as better then the Canon version. I envy the viewfinder on the Sony. it's so good, you really don't need a Marshall monitor with that camera. However, the XL-H1 almost requires one!
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Sorry, Shannon. I don't think I expressed my self right. What you just said is what I mean. The LCD on the Z1/Fx1 is simply amazing...but they are not using the same one on the V1.
 
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