Sony announces HVR-V1u, 1080p, 24p, 30p, 60i

rawfa said:
but I read some very disturbing reports on JVCs' financial situation. Aparently they are almost bankrupt.
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JVC has indeed been in very dire straits, and there was talk of them getting shut down a few months ago. They've been plagued with quality issues and product returns as well as the bottom dropping out of the CRT market. But apparently their turnaround strategies are working and the latest news story I saw said that parent company Matsushita was pleased with the progress JVC is making and doesn't expect to have to step in and take any drastic action if things keep progressing.

http://www.tinyurl.com/omqjx
 
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hey barry, about your major concern, i already answered.. no worries there.. but i stand..

"that type of behaviour is rude"?.. call it what you wish.. to be silent i'd call what i won't, at least over here.. still respecting you.. now, with this behaviour will i be rude?.. not at all.. not me..

about red being without lens..

ah barry how you are very known all over the internet as a clever guy.. you would be a good advocate.. i stand corrected: you are.

how is it possible you're posting this when you well know:

red will have nikon f and canon manual mounts.. even Mathieu Kassovitz knows it.. how will i need to provide a ordinary lens (like a small camera) to it?.. don't kid with me.. :) i'm asking what i'll read into your red book when available?.. (you can count on that! :thumbup: i'll be your customer there! :thumbsup: that's my revenge!.. :))

still on your previous quote on pixel counting (don't take an useful other's point to make your own point!.. it reminds me something.. :D) that you'll have offered in hvx defense.. i just posted and asked you there:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=71783

"Sony’s 16:9 1/4in. ClearVid CMOS chips deserve special note, because these wonders introduce a pixel grid that’s tilted 45 degrees, such that pixels that would ordinarily be square are diamond shaped. This makes possible a new zigzag-shaped co-siting of pixels that’s beyond the scope of this short description. Not a pixel-shifting technique, the configuration effectively multiplies the resolution of these 1/4in. chips."

do you know why?.. because your biased arguments can even be very well constructed but they don't convince me.. i admire your knowledge but i disagree when it's obvious you're defending your own beliefs or this or that point..

Barry_Green said:
The point is, if you have nothing positive to add and only want to bash, that type of behavior is rude and is simply not welcome here (regardless of claims of "free speech".)

And frankly, I can think of some reasons would prefer a $4800 camera over a $17,500 (without lens) camera. In fact, I can think of about 12,700 reasons why.

So the point is: let the V1U interested parties discuss their chosen tool unmolested, without references to the manufacturing company being "the mafia", okay?
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Barry_Green said:
Sony doesn't. Their dealers do (unlike Canon with the XLH1 where they apparently enforce a strict MSRP-only policy).

Sony quotes an MSRP. It's up to the dealers to decide what to sell it for. The Z1 was launched with an MSRP of $5946. From the very beginning dealers sold it for $4900, I doubt anyone ever paid a penny over $4900 for a Z1. If (and this is wild speculation) but IF the margins and policies stay the same, that might mean a street price for the V1U of around $3960. And if (and this is equally wild speculation) but IF Canon sticks with MSRP-only pricing for the XH series like they do for the XLH1, then that would mean a street price for the A1 of about $3999. Which puts these two similar products priced very competitively in the marketplace.
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Under $4,000 would be a great price.

I can't help but wonder if a under $4,000 V1 won't drive down the DVX100 price some too?
 
rawfa said:
The more we talk about this the more I feel like waiting to see what Panasonic and JVC will do. I have no doubt Panasonic will raise the roof, but I read some very disturbing reports on JVCs' financial situation. Aparently they are almost bankrupt. I read some other company was taking over but they would keep the JVC name. They said they were hope to recover by selling DVDs!!! This is not a joke. This could be the perfect oportunity for them to come out swinging. If they play their cards right and put out a good enough camera with the right price this could mean big big bucks for them.
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This is news to me. Do you have a link to that report(s)? EDIT: Thanks for the link, Barry.

heath
 
I don't think the DVX has any competition from any of the HD cameras, and I'll explain why, IMHO. At the film school I work at, our students learn how to use the DVX100a and the Z1/FX1. Sometimes, a good chunk of students want to use HD. But I recently had 3 entire classes choose to shoot on the DVX100a because they happened to like it better and want to shoot their second films in HDV.

heath
 
I saw it on the news. Tom Brokaw was crushed because he loves JVCs' progressive 720p.

;-)

I first read it on camcorderinfo.com but then I read in a couple of different places I can't recall.
 
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I think Panasonic needs to do something. If as barry suggested that the price of the Sony V1 is under $4,000 and the Canon A1 is $3,999, then it will take sales away from the DVX and the HVX. Prices cuts? Rebates. Cheap P2 cards?

My personal dream a DVX100 with native 16:9?

I don't think they can just sit on the sidelines.
 
Tim Le said:
I totally agree and it doesn't even have to do with the price. Just because RED ONE may have the ultimate picture quality, doesn't mean every other camera out there now is a POS. Like Jim Jannard said, you use the right tool for the job and RED ONE is NOT appropriate for every job. Without getting too OT, I think a lot of people will be in for a huge wake up call when they step up to 2K/4K S35 digital cinematography and discover their camera operating skills aren't quite there.
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if you have a few dollars to a purchase.. red hypothesis included.. what would it be your better option?

aside specific conveniences, generally speaking, of course..
 
Does the FX1 have Analog in/out? Because you can get Analog > HDMI cables and vice-versa. I had one for my Samsung DVD player. Or was that HDMi > DVi ... humm.

Here's an interesting thought-

XH-A1/G1 have a playback deck ready in the form of another camera. Can you use the little HDV Sony Cam to playback/capture from the V1u?
 
It DOES have analog out! So this means I could capture uncompressed footage from the FX1 directly to my pc with the blackmagic card?!
 
Don't go askin me that. The term "uncompressed" is way too lose, in my opinion.

That's something to ask someone else. I do know that Barry mentioned the V1u's HDMI is an uncompressed signal.

S'all I know, dude.
 
Barry_Green said:
Exactly. And there's plenty of room in the marketplace for products at all levels and price points and feature sets. But to come in and bash and say (effectively) "you're all fools for thinking about this product or that product, just get a RED instead" is insulting to the thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of individuals who may have very good reasons for being interested in this specific product.

Just like I find it incredibly condescending and rude and arrogant and dismissive whenever someone comes in and says "you're all stupid for even thinking about cameras, it's all about the STORY, it's only the STORY that matters." If someone truly feels that way, why don't they just write stories? Or direct plays? Plays give you actors and stories and you don't even have to worry about cameras and lines of resolution, right? Sheesh. Give the people some credit, we're all intelligent individuals around here and we're certainly entitled to discuss our favorite tools without someone coming in and telling us we're all stupid for doing so.
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i didn't say nothing what you are insinuating in your post.. if this is related to me.. if not, my excuses.. i thought so.. but i want to believe it's not.. eheh

i invite you to quote me, if you can.. :thumbdown

on the other hand, you seem to me a little man (not you!) who is thinking that can speak for millions of people.. speak up for yourself not for the others.. that's what I'm used to say to myself or to my friends..

i can even understand you're an opinion maker.. a good one.. it's your method.. okay..

but again: thus, your arguments don't convince.. (if i cannot say all the intelligent people.. i wouldn't apply the same method than you if it is the case..) i would and i should say: your arguments don't convince ME (may i have this right?)

about the content.. the content of the second part of your post, i agree..

do you know something?.. i like you.. sometimes, i'm just thinking that you underestimate your readers.. exactly the opposite what you're posting now crossing between the lines of the content of your post.. i don't know if we're all intelligent individuals around here but you're right: there are intelligent people over here..
 
ah, nuts. I should stop spending money on the fx1 and save up for the hvx...or the new pana hd :cool:
 
"Even with a point of high-intensity light in the frame, you can record smear-free footage with the HVR-V1U."

Whats the HVX's take on this?
 
KevinPeeples said:
"Even with a point of high-intensity light in the frame, you can record smear-free footage with the HVR-V1U."

Whats the HVX's take on this?
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CCDs are subject to smear, and always have been. That's one of the big things about the CMOS technology is that each pixel is individually sampled and cannot therefore bleed over and cause a vertical stripe.

With that said, susceptibility to smear is typically tied to pixel size. The smaller the pixels the more likely smear will happen, which is why we saw massive smear on the tiny-pixel PDX10 when it first came out. The HVX has bigger pixels and is more smear-resistant than its competition, but it can still happen. It doesn't happen in CMOS.

CCD is a fairly mature technology and we know what to expect from it; CMOS sensors in cameras is brand-new, we've only really had the HC1 and HC3 to compare and now the V1/FX7 are the first 3-CMOS. The HC1 and HC3 have a "rolling shutter" artifact that gets talked a lot about, no word whether the V1/FX7 will have similar. In the end you've got to know what the characteristics are and how to work around the undesirable characteristics.
 
filmmaker1977, I do not follow what you're saying at all. I do expect it's a language barrier issue. I am not accusing you of saying things like the "story" part, that's just bringing out a general point of what this forum is, and what it is not.

So I will say it again. This particular thread, in this particular forum, is for people to talk about the V1U. And on DVXUser, people are allowed to talk about their chosen subjects.

We do not need anyone coming in and saying anything like "this is a stupid product". That is pointless and counterproductive, and will not be tolerated. If you determine that this product holds no interest for you, that's fine, MOVE ON. Go elsewhere. Talk about the Red in the Red forum if that's what you're interested in. But there are people who are interested in the V1U, or who are at least interested in finding out whether the V1U is appropriate for them. Please allow them to discuss it without any counterproductive, negative sniping.

This discussion should probably have moved to private messages, but it's symptomatic of something that's been happening on the boards and something that happens every time a new camcorder is introduced. And we're tired of it. Last time we said "take all discussions of other cameras somewhere else, but stop griping here." This time we're trying something different -- we're hosting discussions but we are not going to allow trolls, gripers, complainers, whiners, sabotagers, or any other type of threadcrappers. So you, and everyone else, are served notice that this is a place for intelligent thoughtful discussion. It is not a place to savage other people's products or their choices. There are other forums where that type of thing is allowed. This is not one of them.

If you play nicely in our sandbox, you're welcome to stay. If you cannot abide by our simple rules, you will be escorted out. And that doesn't apply to just you, that applies to everyone.
 
Barry_Green said:
filmmaker1977, I do not follow what you're saying at all. I do expect it's a language barrier issue. I am not accusing you of saying things like the "story" part, that's just bringing out a general point of what this forum is, and what it is not.

So I will say it again. This particular thread, in this particular forum, is for people to talk about the V1U. And on DVXUser, people are allowed to talk about their chosen subjects.

We do not need anyone coming in and saying anything like "this is a stupid product". That is pointless and counterproductive, and will not be tolerated. If you determine that this product holds no interest for you, that's fine, MOVE ON. Go elsewhere. Talk about the Red in the Red forum if that's what you're interested in. But there are people who are interested in the V1U, or who are at least interested in finding out whether the V1U is appropriate for them. Please allow them to discuss it without any counterproductive, negative sniping.

This discussion should probably have moved to private messages, but it's symptomatic of something that's been happening on the boards and something that happens every time a new camcorder is introduced. And we're tired of it. Last time we said "take all discussions of other cameras somewhere else, but stop griping here." This time we're trying something different -- we're hosting discussions but we are not going to allow trolls, gripers, complainers, whiners, sabotagers, or any other type of threadcrappers. So you, and everyone else, are served notice that this is a place for intelligent thoughtful discussion. It is not a place to savage other people's products or their choices. There are other forums where that type of thing is allowed. This is not one of them.

If you play nicely in our sandbox, you're welcome to stay. If you cannot abide by our simple rules, you will be escorted out. And that doesn't apply to just you, that applies to everyone.
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c'mon barry! :beer: you are a clever man.. me likes.. as i already posted i like you all.. :kiss:

there isn't a language barrier.. in the most of the cases.. at least, from me..

there isn't any negative resistance against this or that particular small camera..

my viewpoint is what it happened when i decided to come over these boards: the red announcement..

there is an industry and there are people living from this industry..

red is an industry aside.. if you wish, a new industry.. but not what those "majors" are on behalf.. an industry assumes a lot of interests.. maybe one day red will be like the others.. not today..

i just did a comparision between different offers..

imo, these small cameras aren't what the "majors" can deliver.. imo, they're cheating..

but as i said, i understand your position.. you are doing consulting.. that would be what I'd call it for.

and this has its own rules.. please, don't think i put a negative meaning on this.. it's just a different viewpoint, a different position..

otherwise, as we are in a free society, i believe it isn't useless to make a point.. even if it is THIS point..

it isn't sabotage.. all my previous posts are proving my interest in this or that particular gear debate.. even if coming from "the majors"..

nevertheless, it's amusing to see you from the v1u side.. or if you prefer, as i would be a red fanboy.. even if i already am not a boy.. sometimes, unfortunately, sometimes, not.

:)
 
Red will only be for a small % of people. Not everyone will like sony, Canon panny or JVC etc. But I would not call any of these companies mafia,,,,,
 
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