How to make an HVX200 fall in love with an Apple

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jameswmulryan

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How Apple and Panasonic can get on the same page:

Accessory #1: MacBookPro P2 adaptor manufactured by Panasonic.

Accessory #2: P2 storage at 120 G instead of 60G, fire wire 800/400/USB2 manufactured by Panasonic, please do no give us year old product.

Accessory #3: P2/Hard Disk solution a la Cineporter instead of a very fragile fire wire connection. Native 720 24P.

Panasonic could have introduced many of the above products, but I suspect prefers the Gillette razor blade/P2 model. Sell the razor cheap and make money on the blades.
 
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>How Apple and Panasonic can get on the same page:
>Accessory #1: MacBookPro P2 adaptor manufactured by Panasonic.

This is in process, if you went to NAB you would have seen a mock up for a two slot to USB. Duel-Systems is also making something and thus it is underway. And BTW the fact that the MACBook did not have a PCMCIA slot was as much of a surprise to the Professional Apps guys at Apple as it was to us.


>Accessory #2: P2 storage at 120 G instead of 60G, fire wire 800/400/USB2 manufactured by Panasonic, please do no give us year old product.

You do not have to buy this to make the system work for you, but until there is a ruggedized 120GB HDD to use, it will continue to be a 60GB. It works well, and it is rugged or rather bullet proof, and this is the primary concept behind it.

>Accessory #3: P2/Hard Disk solution a la Cineporter instead of a very fragile fire wire connection. Native 720 24P.

Frankly I am not enamored of leaving the back door of the camera open leaving the P2 slot open to dust and other environmental negatives. Hopefully they will have something that resolves that concern when they do deliver. We were in development with Focus a good 6 months prior to the Cineporter even being an idea. We had tried something like the Cineporter ourselves back when we first started to deliver the SD cameras and perhaps it was the way we tried to engineer it, but the slot overheated.

>Panasonic could have introduced many of the above products, but I suspect prefers the Gillette razor blade/P2 model. Sell the razor cheap and make money on the blades.

Unfortunately what you are asking for and the tone in your post saying that it is so simple, is really a dishonor to the fact that this stuff takes time. The MacBook Pro hasn't been delivering 3 months, and up until its introduction, we didn't know that we had to come up with a product to interface with an express card slot. The 120HDD ruggedized drive still does not exist today, and we would be looking at the HDDs that are in use by our laptop group in the Tough Books, and the Cineporter idea has a kink in its implementation.

No we do not make the money on the P2 cards, keep in mind unlike razor blades, which in a lifetime you will use thousands, on a P2 camera, you may use only 3 or 4 for the lifetime of the camera.

Best,

Jan
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
This is in process, if you went to NAB you would have seen a mock up for a two slot to USB. Duel-Systems is also making something and thus it is underway.
Best,

Jan
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For those of us unable to attend NAB2006, could someone explain the two slot to USB solution and identify a manufacturer? and price?

I was aware and have been in communications with Duel-Systems but that is a PC Card to ExpressCard/34 adapter.
 
jameswmulryan said:
How Apple and Panasonic can get on the same page:
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Accessory #1: P2 viewer for Apple computers manufactured by Panasonic.

Accessory #2: DVCPRO HD 720P 50 HZ/PAL drivers for all the mainstream editing software like FCP from Apple - manufactured by Panasonic.



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Jan_Crittenden said:
The two slot was in our booth and the manufacturer will be Panasonic.
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Is this just used to transfer, or does it perform the equivalent function and at the price of the p2 store?

Is there someplace where I might learn about it?
 
Sorry for the incorrect razor analogy

Sorry for the incorrect razor analogy

Jan:
Thank you for the info. I look forward to the P2 reader and 120G P2 store.
I bought the camera at NAB and believe in it, but find the MacBook Pro port issue very frustrating. I wonder why Apple did not give Panasonic a heads up. Apple sure liked the DVCPROHD codex and were using it as demos for all of their final cut shows at NAB.
Jim
 
Hi,

The MAC Book Pro was a surprise to the Professional Apps guys as well. It will all work out. And for the guys wanting the 720P codec, that too will be coming. Keep in mind up untill September of last year, this 50P was not a format officially recognized by the EU. It was only announced as mainstrewam at IBC. So please it is in process, Panasonic does not write code for Apple, Apple writes code for Apple.

Best,

Jan
 
No doubt the dual Intel G5 processors make the MacbookPro appealing, but Jesus, I'm sort of happy -- at this relative juncture -- to have the G4 laptop with the standard PCMCIA slot. I am currently using only ONE 4GB P2 card on site, and then dumping to the G4 along with a small bus powered firewire 80GB drive. It's certainly frustrating to have to go to the laptop every 5 minutes to dump footage, but whatever... I guess there could be worse situations.

Any indication when the g5 laptops are going to have an adapter/card bus to allow standard PCMCIA input??

--Justin.
 
Justin Reade said:
Any indication when the g5 laptops are going to have an adapter/card bus to allow standard PCMCIA input??.
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There aren't and won't be any G5 laptops.

The thread indicates that one company is working on a solution for the MacBook Pro, expected sometime later this spring or early summer.
 
Hi Jan,
I would also love to see an input device for the MBP that costs a lot less than the P2 store or the 5 card device. Very happy to hear that it's on it's way. For the moment importing from the camera seems like a reasonable work around, and the price is right. Especially if you only have one p2 card - you have to stop shooting anyway so download from the camera!
Great product Jan!
Sam
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hi,

The MAC Book Pro was a surprise to the Professional Apps guys as well. It will all work out. And for the guys wanting the 720P codec, that too will be coming. Keep in mind up untill September of last year, this 50P was not a format officially recognized by the EU. It was only announced as mainstrewam at IBC. So please it is in process, Panasonic does not write code for Apple, Apple writes code for Apple.

Best,

Jan
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Lets start with the good news, I hope the process will lead to a driver for FCP. To hear its in process in nice! now I would like to hear a timetable. So you know you can shoot and edit with it before [date] x.

The 720P 50 codec was announced at IBC seven months before Panasonic deliverd the HVX to the EU. That is a lot of time for a codec to be implemented in editing software. I know Apple writes code, they do beautiful things in apps, they write clear and small code... I know you can sell more HVX with the code...

So there is the interest for Panasonic. What about a free P2 viewer for Apple?

Thanks.
 
Ah, yes. Excuse the technical error on my part. While not a G5, its Intel core duo is 5 times faster than the G4..., hence the brain lapse. Anyway, nice to see that strides are being made to work with the expresscard slot...
 
Justin Reade said:
Ah, yes. Excuse the technical error on my part. While not a G5, its Intel core duo is 5 times faster than the G4..., hence the brain lapse. Anyway, nice to see that strides are being made to work with the expresscard slot...
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It's definitely faster than a G4 with Universal binaries, but don't bet on the five times faster hype.

That is for some operations in certain apps, and Final Cut Pro isn't one of them.

However, most tests I've seen make the 2.16 MBP the roughly equivalent of a dual processor 2.7 desktop.
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hi,

The MAC Book Pro was a surprise to the Professional Apps guys as well. It will all work out. And for the guys wanting the 720P codec, that too will be coming. Keep in mind up untill September of last year, this 50P was not a format officially recognized by the EU. It was only announced as mainstrewam at IBC. So please it is in process, Panasonic does not write code for Apple, Apple writes code for Apple.

Best,

Jan
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Jan, It really is coming? So 720p 50 is going to be supported by FCP- confirmed? No need to think of a capture card 1080i workaround, and I can get full hd monitoring and workflow only with the Matrox MXO?
 
xray>Lets start with the good news, I hope the process will lead to a driver for FCP. To hear its in process in nice! now I would like to hear a timetable. So you know you can shoot and edit with it before [date]

Unfortunately I do not have that information.

>The 720P 50 codec was announced at IBC seven months before Panasonic deliverd the HVX to the EU. That is a lot of time for a codec to be implemented in editing software. I know Apple writes code, they do beautiful things in apps, they write clear and small code... I know you can sell more HVX with the code...
So there is the interest for Panasonic. What about a free P2 viewer for Apple?

Yes that is seven months but the camera was primarily finished three months prior to delivery and it took a year before that to get the camera close to delivery. We said go on the design of the camera in October of 2004, the first working camera showed at IBC and it only did 1080i. We already knew how to do 720P/60 and that was what was being used in Europe on the Varicam before IBC 2005. So it really is a very different task for the NLE side than it is for the camera side, We each have the hurdles, and we take them in the order we deem necessary.

I will say that we do not write software apps for Apple or any NLE system. Apple is well aware of what their customers want and will go there, they always have.

Best,

Jan
 
SPZ said:
Jan, It really is coming? So 720p 50 is going to be supported by FCP- confirmed? No need to think of a capture card 1080i workaround, and I can get full hd monitoring and workflow only with the Matrox MXO?
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I do not understand the question. What does the Matrox MXO have to do with FCP? In any of the HD editing apps you will need a monitoring card if you want to see your footage in HD as the HVX200 will not pass through the signal from 1394 to component analog out.

Best,

Jan
 
xray said:
To hear its in process in nice! now I would like to hear a timetable. So you know you can shoot and edit with it before [date] ...
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Jan_Crittenden said:
Unfortunately I do not have that information.
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But you know 720p 50 PAL support for Apple its on it's way?


Jan_Crittenden said:
I will say that we do not write software apps for Apple or any NLE system. Apple is well aware of what their customers want and will go there, they always have.
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But you did wrote software for windows? The P2 viewer for Windows works, you give the app away. And besides Apple, 11.000 other companies write code for Apple, so it is not an impossible task. Why no viewer for Apple? http://developer.apple.com/business/video.html :)
 
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