P2 Workflow...from P2 to organization in project file

I wonder how the Firestore 100 and Cineporter work with the MXF files?

This is what FOCUS says about the FS100:
No matter which nonlinear editing (NLE) system you have, the FireStore FS-100 has you covered. When in DVCPRO HD or DVCPRO 50 mode, files are recorded to disk in P2 MXF format. When in DVCPRO/DV mode, files are recorded as RawDV, AVI Type 1, AVI Type 2, AVI Type 2 24p, Matrox AVI, Canopus AVI, QuickTime, QuickTime 24p, Avid OMF, Pinnacle AVI, or P2 MXF file formats. Simply connect the FireStore FS-100 to your Mac or PC editing system like a normal FireWire hard disk drive and you are instantly ready to edit—no capturing, file transfer, or file conversion is required. Just shoot and edit.
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I don't understand how they can make this claim "no file conversion" if it's MXF format.
 
Cineporter won't be out for awhile. I'm currently writing a review of the HVX200 along with the FS-100 for a national magazine. So as of today I'm actually using the HVX200 with the FS-100 and Final Cut Pro (I'm also a certified FCP and Aperture trainer) 5.1. We'll be reviewing the Cineporter and the Citidisk DVCPRO-HD recorder when they are ready to send us review units. But as of today, May 2nd, they are not ready to ship those two products, so don't hold your breath for them.
 
Opcode said:
That's what assistant editors are for and you should always have one :)
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I think everyone is missing the point. If the clamp was broken on a magazine, I could have a PA stand there holding the lid on with his hands so the film doesn't fall out. That doesn't mean everything is working properly.

On this project I have an On-Line editor in the *fire suite, an Off-line editor, 2 graphics guys, and an audio sweetening engineer. There is no shortage of people, but I wouldn't expect any of them, including an assistant, to go through this ridiculous process. I prefer to do the rough cut myself, so I bought a system. FCP is great, they just blew it on the importing process, and having an Asst. Editor doesn't fix their poor design.
 
BenB said:
Cineporter won't be out for awhile. I'm currently writing a review of the HVX200 along with the FS-100 for a national magazine. So as of today I'm actually using the HVX200 with the FS-100 and Final Cut Pro (I'm also a certified FCP and Aperture trainer) 5.1. We'll be reviewing the Cineporter and the Citidisk DVCPRO-HD recorder when they are ready to send us review units. But as of today, May 2nd, they are not ready to ship those two products, so don't hold your breath for them.
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All I want to know is if the claim of "no file conversion" on the FS-100 and FCP is at all possible. My gut tells me it's marketing fluff and we'll still have to do an "import P2" from the FS-100. So Ben, without doing a review, could you just say if it does that? (magically creates quicktime files?).
 
I've searched the forums and may not be using the right words, but I'm having issues with the Firestore FS 100 and FCP. Still on 5.0.4.... Camera in 720/24p, Firestore DCProHD...all good here. Firestore mounts on Mac no problem. Either move files to another HD or import directly...get that.....Panasonic Frame Rate Converter first? Or Cinema Tools? Does FCP 5.1 solve this? I haven't hit the right combo yet. Shouldn't I use a 24p sequence and convert the Firestore 60fps files to 23.98 with the Frame Rate Converter software? Something still isn't right as I still get the Orange" need to render warning" so I'm not geting the Firestore footage converted properly. Directly from P2 cards is perfect.

This Firestore workflow has me a bit confused with FCP.

Many thanks,

Don Wilson
AmericanaMediaInc.com
 
Bob Fagan said:
All I want to know is if the claim of "no file conversion" on the FS-100 and FCP is at all possible. My gut tells me it's marketing fluff and we'll still have to do an "import P2" from the FS-100. So Ben, without doing a review, could you just say if it does that? (magically creates quicktime files?).
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Well I am not Ben but at this point the FS-100 looks like a big P2 card with MXF files. I believe that they have on their docket a plan for making a choice for QUick Time and others but by delivering the MXF, it is universal against all the platforms.

Best,

Jan
 
I was interested in HD Log. That lasted about 30 seconds until I saw the price tag. Then I laughed. And then I cried.

Seriously, how can you charge $700 for a piece of software which I was able to download a trial of at 3 MB. I don't get it.
 
I think that "no file conversion" refers to DVCPRO/DV mode. If you look at the marketing blurb and imagine a new paragraph starting at that point, it makes sense, unfortunately.

We've been using the FS-100 with the HVX for a little while now, and found that the conversion to 24p works very well in FCP 5.1, but it still has to be done, adding extra time to the import process. And yes, we can only import one CONTENTS+lastclip.txt pair at a time.

So far, we've been importing from the FS-100 to FCP, to a capture scratch drive we call "24P", then copy the MXF files from the FS to another drive we call "60i" as backup. Then we format the FS and shoot again.

Regarding the Frame Rate Converter (FRC), we only use it with slo-mo 60 fps footage. The 24p stuff can be done with a checkbox in 5.1's P2 import dialog. However, the FRC actually tries to convert a different clip, not the one that you select! To fool it, we've placed the correct 60 clip in the bin where the "wrong" clip is, and the FRC has found it. Stupid, but it works.

Hope that helps someone.
 
Regarding push-button import of video files: The blame falls not on the technology or even Panasonic; it falls on the people who program our computers.
All of us have written simple scripts to automate our lives -- in VBL, or AppleScript, or Perl, or Photoshop or a hundred other script languages. Even a Howard Stern fan could manage to record a simple script that says, “Take the folder I give you, and convert every image in that folder to a 720x640 JPG image with medium resolution.”
One of our problems is that Apple and Imagine have failed to make FCP and HD Log scriptable. At NAB, the FCP team said their biggest user request was to make Final Cut scriptable. I’m waiting.
 
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