16mm X HVX FOOOOOTAGE!!

TimurCivan said:
( we were going to shoot 720Pn, butwe had trouble synching the cameras) This gave us 16 minutes per card, 32min Total.(720pn would have given us i think 9min per card)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 24PN give you more time on the cards? I had heard that 1080i would be about a Gig a minute, but since 720 24PN doesn't use the pull down, it's only capturing 24 frames, one 8 Gig card can record something like 20 minutes?

Or am I mistaken. I haven't been able to find any 8 Gig cards to buy yet so I don't know for certain.
 
DavidBeier said:
Lets be serious though. How often do you think people are going to be shooting in sub-zero temperatures or with explosions going off? Perhaps a few uber-dangerous documentaries will still use P2s but I don't see why anyone else would. For that matter, wouldn't documentaries generally prefer the cineporter since they can shoot footage for MUCH longer amounts of time without changing the cards?
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I agree that people will choose P2 or Cineporter according to their needs.... for the moment. At this time, only harddrives will satisfy those who need capacity.

But you spoke of hard drive recording as the "future".

I predict that in the future flash memory prices will drop to affordable, and capacity to enough. At that time we will question the need for even greater capacity (Cineporter 2009 gives 3 days of straight recording) versus the fragile nature of hard drives.... which may remain it's Achille's Heel even then.

I remember about three years ago when folks bought those teeny weeny CF sized hard drives for their DSLR's, because they gave greater capacity (4 gigs) than compact flash (512 megs). The common complaint with the hard drives were that they were fragile and wore out.

Nowadays Flash memory for DSLR's have become pretty cheap and capacity continue to grow (8 gigs now).

A 1 gig compact flash will allow for a thousand jpegs before you need to download (typical 6 megapixel cam), surely more than enough for the average photograher's typical shoot. The need for DSLR hard drive cards is gone.

Will History repeat itself for the harddrive?
 
Rhydon said:
The only thing holding back people from P2 is what? its price? Flash ram has been following a steady decline in price ever since its birth. Soon when 16GB cards become affordable (say 2007), whats going to be the competition? HDD? By then Hard drive capacities will be pushing their limits, with holographic and optical storrage on the horrizon, fragile HDD's will be uneconomical. With its robust and concrete reliability, P2 will establish itself as the professional format of "reliability".


Its important to look at where this P2 technology is going, its potential and your investment in that potential. Dont be short sighted on current card capacities, look at the system, the workflow, and the reliability. Judge it by those and then determine if it will be right for you.

Buy the idea, not the little 4" card...
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Well, you can't shoot a production with idea.
P2 might be optimal for extreme conditions right now and for overall use in 2008, but right now it is a bit troublesome for productions with budgets that are usually shot with a $6k camera.

Let me ask the other way around:
Would somebody here complain if hvx had a slot for 1.8" hdd replacing the tape drive?
(And those who need to record on minidv-tape would need any cheap consumer dv-camera with fw-in and connect it to hvx through fw-wire.)
Which one people here consider more useful internal hdd or internal tape drive?
 
Mmmm... several posts stipulate that LINKS ARE BROKEN. If one of those who had the chance to download the files could repost them (on rapidshare.de for instance), it would be nice... unless these two examples aren't worth watching, of course...
 
toke lahti said:
Well, you can't shoot a production with idea.
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Well, if you want to take what i said that way, then i guess the bible is a literal truth and direct reality.
 
Rhydon said:
Well, if you want to take what i said that way, then i guess the bible is a literal truth and direct reality.
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I meant that buying a camera now isn't very practical, if it's usable after beeing a couple of years on the shelf.
 
Not to resurrect a dead topic, but I think that with the firstore now shipping the main problem of cost has been avoided. P2 may be more convenient for many types of shooting but I am sure that it will be much sooner that we see 8GB cards becoming cheaper and easier to get - especially with the Firestore covering a lot of storage demands.

As far as the HVX vs. 16mm, it doesn't have to be better or even as good. I could never justify getting a 16mm camera. I love the HVX not because I think it is as good as film, but because the gap used to be a huge difference in quality. Now it is just a small gap relative to what it was 4-5 years ago. It is empowering people to have better production quality and that is a good thing.

It is crazy to think that a new $6K camera could match a new $100K camera, but it is nice to know that what I can get for my $6K today is a hell of a lot more than what I could get for it 3 years ago.
 
Yes please, repost. Missed this too (no wonder when we have a clips forum and this is posted in the news forum... but I'm not complaining :-D).
 
BigMike said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 24PN give you more time on the cards? I had heard that 1080i would be about a Gig a minute, but since 720 24PN doesn't use the pull down, it's only capturing 24 frames, one 8 Gig card can record something like 20 minutes?

Or am I mistaken. I haven't been able to find any 8 Gig cards to buy yet so I don't know for certain.
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yea your right!

i was using 4gig cards.. in the HVX i was responsible for. Sorry for the mix up.
 
Frankly, once there are 16g p2 cards, I think the Cineporter is in trouble. I'd rather have an all in one system without extra weight on such a portable cam.
 
I would much rather stay with P2 than go with a drive as well. Once the 16GB cards come out that will be a perfect record time...for me.
 
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