Direct HVX200 to HARD DRIVE recording ?

PunkMetalDrummer17,

That's ok.

For me, this is an important topic. And it is ironic because I was always thinking about ways to get rid of tape system. So the HVX is a good thing... the P2 is very good thing... the price and capacity of P2 is a matter to be seen.
 
noistar said:
The Sarlacc,

The P2 is awsome. The problem is the ridiculously tiny small size they are available.
If I could record like... 40 mins of HD footage on a card , OK. But even with the 8 GIG card you can barely record 20mins and for what, over 1000$ ?. What I am looking for is an alternative to this small storage solution.

Now, the FS-100 which is 100 gig...
What is wrong with it? Is there any problem using that?
I don't understang why to get 8 GIG card if you can get 100 GIG for the same price...
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Well, let start with one question. What are you shooting?

To me, the current sized P2 cards are just like shooting 400ft/800ft (4gb/8gb) loads of film. So, my work flow on set with video goes back to a film production mindset. Which I personally like.

I have also been out on run and gun shoots with nothing more then 6 4gb cards, and it did me jsut fine then, too.

I can understand the desire for certain situations to require longer shooting times, but for the most part this whole capacity thing is video people not used to dealing with shorter shooting times, and the fact that it can be done with no problems.
 
the price and capacity of P2 is a matter to be seen.
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Price and capacity change all the time though.

The 4GB card was introduced at $1750. Then it dropped to $900. Then it dropped to $650. Current price is about $570. What will it be next month? Three months from now? Could it be under $100 six months from now? Maybe.

8GB card was introduced at $2750. In December it dropped to $2200. Two months later it dropped to $1400. Today's street price is around $1200 or so. What will it be six months from now? $400? Who knows? All we know is that capacity goes up, and price goes down, and they'll continue to do so.

All I've got is two 4GB's. They do everything I need, for now. It would be nicer to have 8's, but I'm not going to buy 'em until I need 'em.
 
But you don't need a lot of cards (unless you're doing something like Marc Singer).

I've only got two 4gb cards, and I've shot several interviews in the 40- to 60-minute range. Hot-swapping cards is not an ideal process, I'd rather have bigger cards, but it certainly works.

We've shot around 600gb of footage using two 4gb cards on one camera, and three 4gb cards on the other. You just offload the one card while you're shooting the other.
 
Don't buy the FS100. I saw it at NAB, and a couple of respected members of this board and I talked over the pros and cons of it and agree that it is just not up to par, and I would never use it on a professional shoot. It has a spinning disk, runs a fan, and doesn’t support QuickTime. These are all very bad things but the spinning disk scares me. As for the Cinaporter. Well, that looks like it will be the way to go. But it is not around. It was not at NAB and for allot of people that means the product really won’t be out until next year or the year after. They are having some problems and that is to be expected with a new product from a company that has never built a product or delivered anything like this. That is not to say that they can't. And I for one really hope they do. But I also hope they stay away from the spinning hard drive that just causes problems. By far the best way right now is to shoot with two 8 gig p2 cards and off load to a p2 store or laptop. That is 40min of 720p. That is almost as long as a tape. So that is the way to go. Any other way for run and gun stuff is not practical. But Like I said there are some people out there that will really like the FS100, and it is from a company that has been doing that for a long time. But from what I saw, I would never trust that thing with my footage. Buy some P2
 
imgentertainment@mac said:
Don't buy the FS100. I saw it at NAB, and a couple of respected members of this board and I talked over the pros and cons of it and agree that it is just not up to par, and I would never use it on a professional shoot. It has a spinning disk, runs a fan, and doesn’t support QuickTime. These are all very bad things but the spinning disk scares me. As for the Cinaporter. Well, that looks like it will be the way to go. But it is not around. It was not at NAB and for allot of people that means the product really won’t be out until next year or the year after. They are having some problems and that is to be expected with a new product from a company that has never built a product or delivered anything like this. That is not to say that they can't. And I for one really hope they do. But I also hope they stay away from the spinning hard drive that just causes problems. By far the best way right now is to shoot with two 8 gig p2 cards and off load to a p2 store or laptop. That is 40min of 720p. That is almost as long as a tape. So that is the way to go. Any other way for run and gun stuff is not practical. But Like I said there are some people out there that will really like the FS100, and it is from a company that has been doing that for a long time. But from what I saw, I would never trust that thing with my footage. Buy some P2
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Both the FS100 and the cineporter uses harddrives, which you don't seem to be comfortable with. Yet you'd describe the cineporter as the way to go.

I'm not sure what you mean by lack of Quicktime support on the FS100. Do you mean it fails to capture in Quicktime format?

I agree that P2 is better than harddrives in terms of reliablility.
 
Barry_Green said:
I've only got two 4gb cards, and I've shot several interviews in the 40- to 60-minute range. Hot-swapping cards is not an ideal process, I'd rather have bigger cards, but it certainly works.
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Could you talk a little about your setup / process- are you recording in DV format, 720, or 1080? Has it been a big deal to be hot swapping while transfering to your laptop? Has that caused a distraction while doing the interviews?
 
Shooting 720/24pN. Offloading to a Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, connected to two external hard disks (one for the master, one for a duplicate safety backup). Offloading to both drives at once.

Card is done with several minutes to spare before being needed. You do want to time a card swap with a dull moment in the interview if possible, to minimize the visibility of any potential camera shake.

Now that HVX Rack is coming, once it's field-tested I'm likely going to swap over to just using it to do live capture. The P2/swapping thing works, but obviously it would be easier to just do direct recording.
 
Thanks. That sounds like a feasable workflow. The HVX Rack sounds interesting - Do you have a link to the HVX Rack? (I assume that is different then the FS-100.)
 
I think I read somewhere on these boards that the upcoming DV Rack add-on will not record 1080 directly to the laptop. I have heard Barry say that 1080 is a 10-20% bump up in resolution over 720 and desirable if you can do it. The downside is the loss of the "Native" mode for economy of space.

Plus, when I go to Australia, the disk on my laptop spins the other way and all my data flows into my HVX!
 
As far as I know it will do either. It does not preserve any of the MXF info, but imports a live stream of quicktime or avi, your choice. Your computer has to be up to the task as does your hdd. I mean there are folks out there complaining that USB 1 transfer is too slow. But the Seriaous Magic solution looks pretty cool. They had a live demo going in their booth with the green screen off of the camera. Definitely showed that off for us very well.

Best,

Jan
 
Well it is not to say that they both use spinning disks. I think that is a major problem for both products. The main reason that I don't feel comfortable with the FS100 really is with the fire wire connection. I am not a big fan of how it hooks up, compared to the Cinaporter. The Cinaporter goes through the P2 slot, where as the FS100 uses the small 4 pin fire wire connection. I have bumped it numbers of times with other fire stores like the FS4 and if it falls all the way out then you know you have to do the shot over. But some times I bump it just enough so it losses connection. And when you get in post you see the mistake. As for the QuickTime. I was hoping that it recorded in something other then MXF files. Not that I don't like them. It would just be nice. I know DV Rack dose it and when you stream to FCP it dose it also. There are allot of solutions out there. But at this time the best way is to use P2 and offload them to a laptop like Barry says or use the P2 Store even if it is only 60GB. And it will be interesting to see what is down the road.
 
HVX DV Rack will do 1080. I said that I can't figure out how to get my beta copy to record 1080, but hey, that's what beta copies are for. The program is designed to support 1080.
 
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The Sarlacc said:
Well, let start with one question. What are you shooting?

To me, the current sized P2 cards are just like shooting 400ft/800ft (4gb/8gb) loads of film. So, my work flow on set with video goes back to a film production mindset. Which I personally like.

I have also been out on run and gun shoots with nothing more then 6 4gb cards, and it did me jsut fine then, too.

I can understand the desire for certain situations to require longer shooting times, but for the most part this whole capacity thing is video people not used to dealing with shorter shooting times, and the fact that it can be done with no problems.
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you've just described the reason why i've (and many other videographers i suspect) gotten out of film. we've all gotten used to load times, short takes, expensive film stocks and extra crew members for no other reason than that's what they do on big productions but now we're ready to move on.

p2 is fine but right now it's no better than film. maybe in a year or two.
 
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