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Cheesesailor77 said:
but if its $20,000 no one here can afford it and im not sure why Jim and Jarred would spend so much effort here, so lets hope that's wrong, even if it's silly.
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That's not really true. There are a lot of people who could most likely pony up that sort of cash. There are always stafford loans (education loans) because as a graduate student you're eligible for $18,500 :)

I don't know, I think that if it is that complete revolution it doesn't matter if you can afford it right away because that is why there is layaway, savings, and blackmail of government officials with pictures of them dressed up like women being spanked in the attic by a burly man named Butch.

-Jeremy
 
if IT IS as robust and versatile as it should be... if anyone heard the podcast....
then i would be totally comfortable buying it later on rather than it's first release. anyway, you should let things settle down first, right?
 
mustang vs subaru | super 16/35 vs red

mustang vs subaru | super 16/35 vs red

Well i accept you want to win the race...Here my concept is not with driving a sports car...Let me answer this...is any digital camera's footage exists right today that looks similar to movie cameras take it 16mm/35mm m 24p is a choppy business, the light altitude on video never matches a 16mm/35mm black levels. I am not encourage or discourage about red here...the fact is OLD MUSTANG is better than MITSUBISHI EVOLUTION/SUBARU/OR ANY OTHER. Well to my knowledge., camera alone doesnt lead anybody to oscar, and a true inde film maker never expect an oscar,he explores only the talent in the art of filmmaking.

even super 16mm camera costs only 5000$.

vamshi
 
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Cheesesailor77 said:
when the camera is the price of a new sports car, its too much. I'm not saying tis not worth it, but if its $20,000 no one here can afford it and im not sure why Jim and Jarred would spend so much effort here, so lets hope that's wrong, even if it's silly.

i was more interested in 4:4:4 and veriable frame rates than 4k anyway. Any of the new HD camera have this?
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well we don't know the price yet.. but 20k for people that are making money with their camera's isn't that much money. Sure, its alot, and alot of people will need to finance it. Its not the kinda camera that people that don't make money doing what they do buy. If it does turn out to be 20k, it competes with cameras 10x the price. Just like when the dvx came out with 24p it did what alot of cameras 10x the price did.

Alot of people have spent 20k on a fully geared hvx. And paid it off in 2 weeks. People got hired just because they had the HVX.

It's an odd concept, but owning the Red will make your day rate go up. And you as an operator will get hired just because you have the camera, even if they don't really want you. Its just the way it goes. Producers are smarter now-adays, they pay attention to acquisition formats and cameras.
 
vamshi said:
even super 16mm camera costs only 5000$.
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Then you've got the cost of film and processing and the uncertainty of whether you got the shot until the processed film comes back. I cannot wait to be able to get a RED. :)
 
vamshi said:
Well i accept you want to win the race...Here my concept is not with driving a sports car...Let me answer this...is any digital camera's footage exists right today that looks similar to movie cameras take it 16mm/35mm m 24p is a choppy business, the light altitude on video never matches a 16mm/35mm black levels. I am not encourage or discourage about red here...the fact is OLD MUSTANG is better than MITSUBISHI EVOLUTION/SUBARU/OR ANY OTHER.

even super 16mm camera costs only 5000$.

vamshi
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I have no idea what the heck you just said :)
 
Cheesesailor77 said:
but if its $20,000 no one here can afford it
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? Actually a lot of us here could afford it, and there are some who couldn't afford not to have it. This thing will rent for easily $1000/day. Rent it for 20 days and it's free. How can one *not* afford it?

Obviously Red isn't aimed at being someone's personal video camera, but then again neither is the HVX (and the DVX really shouldn't be). They're all business tools, and the business case for all of them is quite strong.
 
lets not get to emotional on the whole price thing till we find out next monday what we are really about.
 
so what do most of you do that you can make it back in 2 weeks? sheesh.
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I don't know about making back a full Red package in two weeks... Jarred was talking about an HVX package. I got my HVX package in time for a $17,000 set of teleprompter commercials, which left enough profit to pay off the HVX+Mac system in full on the first weekend.

With a Red, I'd expect my day rate for DIT & camera rental to be at least $1500/day. Which is probably low, considering F900's still go for $1200/day here without a tech, so -- well, I did say "at least", right? Anyway, if I could book just 14 days with it, that would be (14 x 15 = $21,000). So yeah, two weeks of work would just about get you there. And then it's free. And every day you book with it from then on out is gravy.

Maybe it would command $2000/day depending on how in-demand and rare the Red is, so maybe I could recover the costs faster.

Even at $40,000 it'd be a great business move.

At $100,000 -- eh, I don't know. A hundred large is a lot to risk on an unknown/unproven package. But at $20k it's a no-brainer, and at $40k for a full package it still would probably be a very good idea.

(obviously this all assumes that it lives up to its billing, of course. Actually, you know what? It doesn't even have to live up to its billing! Just give us a CineAlta-caliber camera and the business model still works!)

Furthermore, this is obviously not a start-up business. You have to have contacts and know people and know that you'll get hired. Anyone taking out a loan for $40,000 on an unproven camera is... well, kind of nuts, actually. You don't want to be behind fifty grand of debt and have your sole business plan being "hi guys, anyone need to rent a Red?"
 
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dvpixl said:
so what do most of you do that you can make it back in 2 weeks? sheesh.
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The day rate in most cities with camera is usually between 500 bucks for mid budget indy stuff or 1000 bucks a day for non-union Studio stuff. More or less of course. And thats with a HVX. The day rate on something like the Red will be arond 800 bucks alone.. just for the camera rental, not including you :)
 
I'm trying not to pay attention to any of the debate on price. Mostly successful :beer:

Frankly, if I can afford it, I don't care what the market is or isn't... 20K is a lot of dough, but if it achieves the best image possible (with collaborative talent), then it's one less obstacle (especially for my distributor/s)...

I've been waiting for this day. If it comes to fruition it will be a virtual revolution for some. I really don't care if people think I'm crazy. They said the same thing when I started my small business.

This camera is a bigger canvas to paint on, and I for one, can't wait. I don't know why, but this feels like Michaelangelo being led into the Sistine Chapel, and the Pope saying "Here, you can paint this"... (forgive the palaver, I'm excited :grin:)



Jim, besides putting a Guiness tap in my home office, I've not looked forward to anything more. :beer:
 
Some thoughts about the price:

People like to compare the red camera with the Cinealta or Varicam. But I don't think Mr. Sony and Mrs. Panasonic had the Indies or even weddingshooters in mind when they constructed their cameras.
They tried to make the best camera they can think of as a replacement for those 16/35mm cams for professionals, who can afford it (for rental).
They never expected guys like us would BUY their cams.

I believe the red guys have a different approach, they want to make the camera affordable AND good.
Why even talk to people who are going to buy a used car for $5000 when the only thing you can offer is a Maybach?
 
I reckon a lot of the people saying "I can't afford above $20k" etc. would think again if the camera were, say, $25k.

Hey, did anyone notice that Jim has us all talking about the price again?
 
Jarred Land said:
The day rate in most cities with camera is usually between 500 bucks for mid budget indy stuff or 1000 bucks a day for non-union Studio stuff. More or less of course. And thats with a HVX. The day rate on something like the Red will be arond 800 bucks alone.. just for the camera rental, not including you :)
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Whats a average day rate for DVX?
 
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