Ted Schilowitz of AJA joins RED.

Damon Botsford said:
Guys, let's not digress too far from the topic of this thread... Children of the Corn.
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Yes.. let me try and get it back onto the RED topic and find a common bond.

Interesting, or not so interesting, is that in 1984, when Children of the Corn hit movie theaters for the very firt time, Jim Jannard came out with the very first pair of Oakley sunglasses; the Eyeshades. Go figure.
 
Tell me you didn't just pull the release date of COTC from memory.
That was the nutbag kid from the Burbs, another piece of shiit movie. My girlfriend always laughs at the part when Tom Hanks slides down the stairs at the end. I always look at her in disgust for laughing.
By the way, how 'bout a contest to see who can prove they bought the earliest pair of Oakleys for a RED discount? I'm in around '85 with my Iridiums and oversized Oakley sticker in my rear view mirror. I think I deserve a discount for completely destroying my chances of getting laid that year. Don't get me wrong, Oakley's were cool... 98 pound band member sporting Oakley's... not cool.
 
Damon Botsford said:
I'm in around '85 with my Iridiums and oversized Oakley sticker in my rear view mirror. I think I deserve a discount for completely destroying my chances of getting laid that year..
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post of the day.

Jees.. way to go Ted, look what youve done :)
 
Jarred Land said:
Up untill a year ago I put Children of the Corn (which i saw when i was maybe 10) as one of the scariest horror movies on my all time lists.. untill last winter when i watched it again for the first time and realized it was shiit.
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LMAO! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
If the Red is the real deal, it will be interesting to see how Sony and Panasonic react---pricewise. In other words, does the Varicam and the Cinealta go south pricewise?
 
Thanks Jarred. Sure it will be interesting to see how they react, but they really don't have the business model to do what we're doing. They'd have to change more than just the price of their products to do that.

Graeme
 
Yes.. It will be interesting to see what happens to the entire industry.. I kind of see it as if Some new company came in and built a sports car for $30,000 that could on the track beat every single car out there.. including 500k Ferrari's. What whould happen? would Ferrari make them cheaper? I dont think so, they would probaly take care of the new company by driving it out to the desert and showing them the italian way of solving problems.

I think the initial reaction is the other companies may try and bury Red.. which wont work. Then they will just most likely ignore Red and hope to god they just go away.
 
I had a pair of 1983 Oakleys that I wore all the time in 1984. Don't quite remember what version they were, but I bought them in 1983.

I wore them with my grey 1984 Patagonia pullover, which a) I've got a photo of me wearing back then - actually, a few years later just after my now 19 year old daughter had just been born and I was still skinny and she was SO tiny, and b) I still have the 1984 grey Patagonia pullover, just across the room from me right now, actually, over by my DSL router.

BUT... I can produce witnesses who can testify that I used to wear my 1983 Oakleys with my grey 1984 Patagonia, back when I was a Director/Paramedic at both the Zip Line and the Tyrol, on the Ropes Course, week after week in the Gunks, just outside of Rosendale, New York, at a place called Mountain Lake Manor.

1983... Do I qualify for the discount?

Because I'm saving EVERYTHING I've got, to start shooting a MAJOR documentary using the RED Camera, that we intend to qualify for AMPAS consideration for the 2009 Academy Awards. (Shooting in 2007 & 2008, post-production in 2008-9, released in summer 2009. The 2009 Academy Award season starts for documetaries in the fall of 2009, with nominations in early 2010, and the awards in February-March 2010.)

As principle photography includes shooting documentary footage of both a number of ordinary women, and hopefully, a number of Academy Award winning actresses, we want to film everyone with what we believe is the best camera available. RED. And since we're going to be interviewing them for hours at a time, and we'll only get one take, we're going to need the ability to capture large quantities of something other than film, or the film costs would eat us alive. As would having to stop to change mags. Not to mention having to edit many hundreds of hours of footage.

Plus, when you're shooting the most beautiful women in the world, you want to be able to capture in 4K.

The movie?

FEATURE DOCUMENTARY: What's Your Sexual Pattern?
LOGLINE: Why do people date the same types, over and over again?

So to get back on point... so far anyway, no one's claimed an older pair of Oakleys. So I'm wondering... Discount? *smiles sweetly*

Jesse Wendel
Seattle
 
1983 are you sure? from what I know they didnt come out till 84. Good thing we have mr. O here to set us straight.
 
Jarred Land said:
Yes.. It will be interesting to see what happens to the entire industry.. I kind of see it as if Some new company came in and built a sports car for $30,000 that could on the track beat every single car out there.. including 500k Ferrari's. What whould happen? would Ferrari make them cheaper? I dont think so, they would probaly take care of the new company by driving it out to the desert and showing them the italian way of solving problems.

I think the initial reaction is the other companies may try and bury Red.. which wont work. Then they will just most likely ignore Red and hope to god they just go away.
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I speculated some time back that the answer of the "big boys" to Red will be a dirty tricks campaign. It's the only response they can give in the short term so I anticipate that they will probably start with questioning whether the resolution is necessary, then attack the storage and post-production needs of such a system, then probably point out that the build quality for a product from such a little company couldn't possibly compare with the "professional" products that they build. In fact, I'd imagine they will probably refer to is as an "amateur" product or some such, they'll find "industry professionals" to give statements about why Red doesn't campare to CineAlta etc. etc. and then it'll be "resolution isn't everything" and they'll point to the massive amounts that they've spent on R&D and how Red is just cobbled together in Jim's garage. Or of course, they may just ignore it which is a fairly risky strategy but an easy one to pursue.
 
I bet the biggest dirty trick will be that the naysayers will say that it is impossible to deliver ultra high definition video. The naysayers for years have been saying that about HD and unfortunatley too many people have believed them. I think Jim Janard knows how to deal with the naysayers which is to make them eat their words.
 
Just wait for the lawyers to get involved! While they challenge every technology for patent infringements and try to tie up the release in court, the majors will scramble for the next few years to try and come up with competing products.
 
It's interesting to hear this part of the RED speculation. Just what would Panasonic, Canon, Sony, and JVC do? They'd be the kids with yesterday's toys while RED is the rich kid with the new model. Panasonic and Canon would hurt a lot I think and Sony in the upper XDCAM and F900 division, they just released new stuff! Just depends on RED's price to begin with and then the adoption of it afterwards. I'll still wait for the reviews though before I plunk down $12,000+ on it, for example.
 
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