Panasonic HMC150 or Sony EX1.
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Xian Messerschmidt
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It all depends which you prefer...
CCD vs. CMOS
Panasonic Mojo vs. EX-1 Sharpness
$3000 vs. $6000
CCD vs. CMOS
Panasonic Mojo vs. EX-1 Sharpness
$3000 vs. $6000
Mike Harvey
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XDCam-EX, all things being equal (and they rarely are) will be easier to edit natively than AVCHD... it's less taxing on the system. But depending on the system, it may be a non-issue. However, SxS media is also a lot more expensive. In 1080i, the EX1 is supposedly much better in low light, however in progressive they're supposedly pretty close. EX1 has HD-SDI out, HMC has HDMI out.
I think the whole CMOS vs CCD thing is a bit overblown for most things... however if you're shooting equestrian stuff, that could be an issue.
And there's that whole twice the cost thing.
If it were me, I would go HMC150... but you're not me. I would advise actually renting or borrowing them each if you can and trying them out.
I think the whole CMOS vs CCD thing is a bit overblown for most things... however if you're shooting equestrian stuff, that could be an issue.
And there's that whole twice the cost thing.
If it were me, I would go HMC150... but you're not me. I would advise actually renting or borrowing them each if you can and trying them out.
Thank you all for replies, much appreciated. :dannks2:
Yesterday I had in my hands on both the EX1 and 150. Not at a equestrian event alas.
The EX1 won on the looks and feel department.
The picture quality EX1 again.
Fast panning the 150 by a mile, the EX1 seemed to be playing catchup.
I have read the EX1 is good in low light, anyone have reports for the 150.?
Price wise two 150's or one EX1, in my short test the EX1 didnt seem that superior, so where does the 150 fall down.
All my equestrian work the cam for which I am searching, will be trpod tethered.
Can the 150 produce the goods. good enough for DVD sales.
Albi.
Yesterday I had in my hands on both the EX1 and 150. Not at a equestrian event alas.
The EX1 won on the looks and feel department.
The picture quality EX1 again.
Fast panning the 150 by a mile, the EX1 seemed to be playing catchup.
I have read the EX1 is good in low light, anyone have reports for the 150.?
Price wise two 150's or one EX1, in my short test the EX1 didnt seem that superior, so where does the 150 fall down.
All my equestrian work the cam for which I am searching, will be trpod tethered.
Can the 150 produce the goods. good enough for DVD sales.
Albi.
deltoidjohn
Veteran
The MHC150 is definitely good enough for commercial DVD's. Any of the cameras in this range will be, so alot of it comes down to personal taste.
The 150's biggest let down is it's soft image, especially at 1080p. The CCD's are not full raster 1920x1080 like the EX1 and it really does show on a HD TV. Once down converted and put onto a DVD, it's less noticable.
There's a few other cameras which you should not rule out - Canon's new XF300 is a rather expensive option though user reports are still scarce as it's so new. A HPX170 gives you an easier codec to edit with but with much more expensive recording media. The Sony NX5/AX2000 are definitely worth a look as they are cheaper than the 150 (at least they are in Aus), are sharper, better in lowlight and have a longer zoom which would be helpful for equestrian events but like the EX1 they use CMOS.
If you can, try and handle a few of the cameras and figure out which you like best. Each of the companies tends to have a different feel and layout, and the best one for you may not be the best one for everyone else.
The 150's biggest let down is it's soft image, especially at 1080p. The CCD's are not full raster 1920x1080 like the EX1 and it really does show on a HD TV. Once down converted and put onto a DVD, it's less noticable.
There's a few other cameras which you should not rule out - Canon's new XF300 is a rather expensive option though user reports are still scarce as it's so new. A HPX170 gives you an easier codec to edit with but with much more expensive recording media. The Sony NX5/AX2000 are definitely worth a look as they are cheaper than the 150 (at least they are in Aus), are sharper, better in lowlight and have a longer zoom which would be helpful for equestrian events but like the EX1 they use CMOS.
If you can, try and handle a few of the cameras and figure out which you like best. Each of the companies tends to have a different feel and layout, and the best one for you may not be the best one for everyone else.
maranfilms
Veteran
The Canon xf300 is very crisp. In par with the ex1, and from the tests I have seen ( although nothing scientific) beats the ex1 in low light. I do feel the price is a bit too high though.
Can the 150 produce the goods. good enough for DVD sales.
Albi.
If its for dvd , go with the hmc 150. I've cut ex3 footage with my hmc 150 and there was no difference at all when viewing the final output on a 50" plasma
Ofcourse it was colorcorrected and slighty graded just to get an overall look.
Actually looking at the raw footage of both there's was more resulotion and slightly more shallower dof on the ex3 compared to the hmc 150...I believe it was the kitlens.
Your gonna have to go into the scene settings of the panny to get the best out it or the look you want .
BTW I shoot the hmc 150 PH 24 1080p
This is again for sd dvd production,....blu ray I'd go with the ex1/and wished it had the panna mojo......like the hpx 370 maybe.
Goodluck !
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Thank you all for replies, much appreciated. :dannks2:
Yesterday I had in my hands on both the EX1 and 150. Not at a equestrian event alas.
The EX1 won on the looks and feel department.
The picture quality EX1 again.
Fast panning the 150 by a mile, the EX1 seemed to be playing catchup.
I have read the EX1 is good in low light, anyone have reports for the 150.?
Price wise two 150's or one EX1, in my short test the EX1 didnt seem that superior, so where does the 150 fall down.
All my equestrian work the cam for which I am searching, will be trpod tethered.
Can the 150 produce the goods. good enough for DVD sales.
Albi.
Can it produce the goods?
Yes. Although producing the goods is much more a matter of how the cam is used as opposed to what cam you are using.
Where does it fall down? I did find a possible problem with the HMC150 a while back when using it to shoot sports (soccer) in 720/60p. It would sometimes have a hard time with horizontal lines, such as empty stands or bleachers in the background of some of my shots. They would seem to "break up" and "move" occasionally. That only happened once at a soccer match I filmed for a high school. Going forward, I decided to just not shoot in 720/60p in those conditions. The problem did not re-occur.
I now use a pair of HMC150's and sometimes Canon HFS-10 to shoot music school concerts with. In those lower light settings, the HMC150 really excels. Great color, very low noise. I shoot 1080/60i now at these events, and the images I get are very sharp, not soft. As a means of comparison, it seems as sharp as my Canon XHA1.
Now if I had an EX-1R to do an A-B comparo with, then yeah I am sure theres a diff, in favor of the EX-1R, and I would say that in that comparison, the HMC150 looks "soft". But the images the HMC150 puts out are very nice indeed. Nothing at all to apollogize for.
We author very nice DVD sets and sell them to the schools for marketing purposes as well as to parents, etc. I have been consistently getting comments from clients on how good they think our videos look. This results in more referrals, and more business, so yes, the HMC150 can definately be used to produce very good DVD's that you can be proud to offer your clients.
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