XLR to XLR + Phantom

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Wondering if such an adapter exists. I'd like to use my 416 on a Tascam DR-10x recorder (that doesn't supply phantom power) Does anyone make an XLR male to XLR female adapter that perhaps has a battery compartment for phantom power? Looking for a streamlined design, that I could still boom.
 
There's a few that I know of, but no tiny ones.

I have a Denecke PS-1A that works great (in the very few times I need it). But it's probably bigger than you need.
http://www.denecke.com/Products/products.html?tpm=1_4#

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PSC and maybe Rolls have similar battery-powered models. All about the size of a pack of cigarettes (I think...)

Alas, I don't know of any barrel adapters or really tiny power supplies. Maybe Mozegear has something?
 
Hey Egg, do you really still have an XL-2 per your profile? Bet you haven't used that in a while.

Fwiw, there are a couple of battery powered shotguns. I ended up keeping my original shotgun, an AT-897, for exactly this type of purpose using either a Tascam DR or a Sennheiser wireless plug-on. The bad news is an 897 isn't nearly as good as a 416. In my case, for as often as I use this arrangement, it's good nuff. And it makes for a decent backup shotgun. Rode has a couple of battery models as well.
 
Jim Feeley said:
There's a few that I know of, but no tiny ones.

I have a Denecke PS-1A that works great (in the very few times I need it). But it's probably bigger than you need.
http://www.denecke.com/Products/products.html?tpm=1_4#

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PSC and maybe Rolls have similar battery-powered models. All about the size of a pack of cigarettes (I think...)

Alas, I don't know of any barrel adapters or really tiny power supplies. Maybe Mozegear has something?
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Thank you, the Denecke looks loke it might work, even though its a little heavy, just need to make sure that i can fitnthe dr-10x and the 416 at the same time. Here are a couple other options i came across. One is a cloudlifter, would this work with the 416?

http://Cloud Microphones CL-1 Cloudlifter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004MQSV04/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_HdmnBb7AD0J9N


Any quality difference between this and the Denecke?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003S7LTI4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_jomnBbC56BBKP
 
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Assuming you have the 416-P48 version, there are lower cost, lighter weight battery powered Phantom Power supplies then the above mentioned, but in my search (a year of so ago), those only supplied 12 and/or 24 volts) and the most of the ones that did supply 48v, where ext. powered by a wall wart.
 
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The Denecke isn't all that heavy in my bag or on my cart (again, the little I use it these days), it's sonically great, and it's really rugged. At the bottom of a boompole, it'd be fine I think. At the mic-end of a boompole or mounted to a small camera, it'd feel pretty damn big and heavy.

The Cloudlifter link didn't work for me, but looks like you're asking about the CL-1, right?
https://www.cloudmicrophones.com/cloudlifter-cl-1
If so and if I'm reading their webpage right, you definately DO NOT want that. The CL-1 blocks phantom power from reaching a microphone... no good for us, but great for protecting some expensive (and cool) ribbon mics from damage caused by phantom power. (Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong here).

The ART Phantom Power Pro you link to on Amazon is probably fine. I think of ART as low-end but not terrible stuff for music project studios. Sort of like the less-expensive Rode stuff. I'd think the ART box isn't as rugged as the Denecke, and might be bigger (check the specs on ART's and Denecke's website).

But you know, Denecke builds stuff for the video/film audio world and builds it well. I bought my little Denecke box used like 15 years ago (or so?); you can probably find one used at the usual location-audio dealers....in fact, it looks like there's one on Trew Audio's site right now.

Maybe the best fit, in terms of tiny size and solid audio quality, is a Mini Papi preamp from Mozegear. Gets used on a lot of Arri Alexa Mini and RED cameras. Downside: It costs about $450 or so:
https://www.mozegear.com/mini-papi


You'd think there would be some barrel-style P48 supplies, but I don't know of any. Anyone else here have suggestions?
 
By coincidence, I was going to put my Fethead Phantom up for sale in the forum. Never used other than to test it. I bought it a while ago but didn't end up needing it. It's still in the original packaging. If interested, pm me.

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I'm probably missing something, but does the Fethead Phantom generate phantom power, or does it just pass along phantom power generated somewhere else (like at say, a mixer)? If it generates phantom power, how does it do that? Is there a battery compartment that I don't see?

When I look at this page, it looks like it's more of a "passthrough" device rather than something that makes phantom power.
http://tritonaudio.com/fethead-phantom.html

Sorry to be dense here...
 
Thanks. Ya, I figured that out right after I wrote my post...it wasn't hard to figure out... I just had to re-read your post because I missed your obvious statement my first time through. I thought I'd deleted the post above #11, but clearly I failed to do that, too. D'oh.

In other words: my bad. Sorry about that.
 
I have seen a phantom adapter that used a stack of button cells and was about the size of an in-line attenuator, but it was many years ago and I didn't find anything like that through Google.

The irony in all this is that the minute the 48V power hits the mic it is knocked down to the few volts the mic actually needs. The higher voltage is mostly to minimize the voltage drop over the cable run.
 
OSCURO said:
The Saramonic does not have a safety track option, but the Fethead improves the signal-to-noise ratio while allowing more than enough headroom to avoid clipping. I chose this set-up instead of the Tascam and I'm happy with the decision.
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I actually own the Saramonic, however, I never use it because of the lack of saftey track and mostly because it requires me to dig through the menu, every time it's turned on in order ot enable phantom power. I coudn't believe how silly of a design this was but I found myself getting really frustrated by it.

That being said, I also already own the DR-10x (love using it with my rode reporter). It looks like my only real option is going to be the deneck since I need the full 48v for the 416.

On a side note, it seems like perhaps the cloudlifter would be usefull for my rode reporter since it would at 25db of gain. The microphone is not very senstive, even when connected to my mix Pre-d. The only drawback is that it would look a little unsightly if using it for actual reporting (on camera) situations.
 
Geez, Rick, I'm glad you're here. Dig it: I used to work at Countryman (long long long ago) and built a bunch of the precursors to their current power module. But the incompatibility just swam right over me yesterday. It's an extremely well-built module (as you'd expect from Countryman) that works great with some of Countryman's podium mics and IIRC lavs but isn't what you want to power a phantom-power 416.
 
I don't think it's suited for my purposes, however, for those that are considering their options on this thread, another good option could be the Sound Devices MP-1. It's not suited for booming obviously but you get line out, great limiters, pre's and it runs of AAs. 48V or 12V switchable.
 
egproductions said:
I don't think it's suited for my purposes, however, for those that are considering their options on this thread, another good option could be the Sound Devices MP-1. It's not suited for booming obviously but you get line out, great limiters, pre's and it runs of AAs. 48V or 12V switchable.
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Sound Devices has a product similar to the MP-1 that is designed for use with a boom, and it works (and sounds) great. Typically worn on a belt/bag. It's like an MP-1 with an extra knob. :-)

The MM-1: High Quality Mic Preamp with Headphone Monitor
https://www.sounddevices.com/products/portable-audio-tools/mm-1

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The Sennheiser MZA14P is pretty decent, but rather expensive - uses a 9V battery to generate 48V - battery lasts about 25 hours, I had the old model years ago and it was exactly what it said on the box - an in, an out and power switch. I note the current one has some useful filters and pads!
 
Rick R said:
- That looks great, but unfortunately, the Countryman Isomax II battery power module is 18 volts.. which is fine for some mics, but would not work on a mic that requires 48v (or there abouts). One should check a mic's power requirement specs before purchasing a power module.
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I thought I had checked this before but I guess not! Indeed when I checked one of mine it runs 18V (actually it was reading almost 19V - but no load).

I have used them in the past but those mics obviously could work at the lower voltage.
 
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