Give it a rest dude.
X-Men 3
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No. I just get tired of people belaboring a point six times. I heard Spidey the first time. And in the two other times he made his point he didn't explain why he hates Brian Singer's work.
Jeremy Ordan
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I saw this yesterday as part of a double feature with the Davinci Code on my extended vacation. I have never read the comics but being a fan of the first two movies I actually enjoyed this. Yes I thought it was rushed and that certain things weren't developed but all the major beats in the movie clicked with me:
1. Xavier being killed
2. The power of Jean
3. Magneto losing his power
4. The embarrassment when you lose your mutant abilities
I thought it was an entertaining film that happened to be a little light on story but overall entertaining. It was cheesy popcorn fun, just like the other two in my opinion.
To anyone who hasn't read the comics but did enjoy the first two, this one doesn't disappoint. I liked it.
-Jeremy
1. Xavier being killed
2. The power of Jean
3. Magneto losing his power
4. The embarrassment when you lose your mutant abilities
I thought it was an entertaining film that happened to be a little light on story but overall entertaining. It was cheesy popcorn fun, just like the other two in my opinion.
To anyone who hasn't read the comics but did enjoy the first two, this one doesn't disappoint. I liked it.
-Jeremy
isaac...not really directed at you, but looking at the majority of the posts...they are singerish. some start of dogging the movie and then point out "singer would've done this"...but in all honesty if you look at the first two movies and judge them in their consistency with the books. there are flaws. so no one should say that ratner strayed from the books, when singer did too.
but to each their own and the worst thing of it all...wolverine had probably the same amount of screen time. he interacted with everybody in the first. in the second the story was about him and where he came from. now the third and everyone complains. seriously...
but to each their own and the worst thing of it all...wolverine had probably the same amount of screen time. he interacted with everybody in the first. in the second the story was about him and where he came from. now the third and everyone complains. seriously...
I don't give a rat's ass about Singer, actually; I'm only saying what he did vs. what Ratner did.
Yeah, Singer's movies took liberties, too -- the costumes (but bright blue spandex would've looked stupid), the chronology, the relative ages of some of the characters and how they got to Xavier's . . .
But he was faithful to the core of the characters, and he treated each of them with respect.
Ratner didn't.
Yeah, Singer's movies took liberties, too -- the costumes (but bright blue spandex would've looked stupid), the chronology, the relative ages of some of the characters and how they got to Xavier's . . .
But he was faithful to the core of the characters, and he treated each of them with respect.
Ratner didn't.
SilverWolf
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David Jimerson said:
Right on screw Signer vs. Ratner it's all about the story
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actaully the costume were designed from the new x-men comics and unlimited x-men comics. but things that dont make since with anyof the movie was this:
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wolverine is a softy in all the movie. In the comics hes an ass.
The Phoenix saga was destroyed, the story entirely.
jublilee was a badguy?
no gambit for gambit lovers.
sabertooth died.
jean grey dies.
scott storm dies. (I guess cable will never exsist)
mystice was never a core character just place me for sex apeal.
Arch Angel was a such a let down.
Marrow was a dude? (in comics a girl)
Wolverine encounters Lady deathstrike kills her. (in comic he lived in japan for many years married her then they departed then they ran into each other.)
Juggernaut is step brother to xavier (BTW how did he get caught and locked up)
cyclop was a wuss and never a core character.
storm was never a huge key character but she was in the movies due to sex appeal.
pyro was a neatural charcter and they made him bad... then killed him.
calisttos power was different then her and jubiliee was killed.
xavier died? but didnt die.... open endings to series finale suck.
rogue was a ***** in this one didnt even have a role and the love triangle just see to stop (btw Im in love with eleen page aka kitty pride she a great actress see HARDCANDY).
there was no point to pulling the Golden Gate bridge. Magnetto could fly and carry them over or take the juggernaut over at least and so could jean.
the head lights to the car were on magically at night?
i mean i Could go on.
Great cgi no story lines and flat acting in all of them and bastardization of a series of a good comic.
I mean at least beast was beast i thought they would go shitty on that but they actually played it right.......
Gah comments?
btw I dont like singer for a few reasons. but i have a bad feeling about superman.... something doesnt feel right at all.
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wolverine is a softy in all the movie. In the comics hes an ass.
The Phoenix saga was destroyed, the story entirely.
jublilee was a badguy?
no gambit for gambit lovers.
sabertooth died.
jean grey dies.
scott storm dies. (I guess cable will never exsist)
mystice was never a core character just place me for sex apeal.
Arch Angel was a such a let down.
Marrow was a dude? (in comics a girl)
Wolverine encounters Lady deathstrike kills her. (in comic he lived in japan for many years married her then they departed then they ran into each other.)
Juggernaut is step brother to xavier (BTW how did he get caught and locked up)
cyclop was a wuss and never a core character.
storm was never a huge key character but she was in the movies due to sex appeal.
pyro was a neatural charcter and they made him bad... then killed him.
calisttos power was different then her and jubiliee was killed.
xavier died? but didnt die.... open endings to series finale suck.
rogue was a ***** in this one didnt even have a role and the love triangle just see to stop (btw Im in love with eleen page aka kitty pride she a great actress see HARDCANDY).
there was no point to pulling the Golden Gate bridge. Magnetto could fly and carry them over or take the juggernaut over at least and so could jean.
the head lights to the car were on magically at night?
i mean i Could go on.
Great cgi no story lines and flat acting in all of them and bastardization of a series of a good comic.
I mean at least beast was beast i thought they would go shitty on that but they actually played it right.......
Gah comments?
btw I dont like singer for a few reasons. but i have a bad feeling about superman.... something doesnt feel right at all.
No, if you look through the books from 1999 and early 2000, when the movie was being filmed, you'll find the familiar blue and gold uniforms.
Storm is one of the pivotal characters of the comic, dude. She was the leader at least three times and has been the spiritual guru for 25 years.
Storm is one of the pivotal characters of the comic, dude. She was the leader at least three times and has been the spiritual guru for 25 years.
novelt said:
When he first appeared in the comic, he acted exactly like he did in the movie.
Which is another problem with 3. Where the heck is he?
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im not talking about the uncanny costumes. look at the new xmen or unlimited xmen for costumes. I said storm was never a overly important character. she was never more important than some of the other charcter over looked. i mean i think the entire trilogy cyclops had a total of 30 screen time if that.
im just say the skimmed the comics. and made up stuff.
im just say the skimmed the comics. and made up stuff.
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I'm going to sound like a nerd with some of these things
Jubilee wasn't bad... she's in the classroom scene next to Kitty
That i agree with... Gambit was my favorite character... he's first on the list for new characters in X4 or the Young X-Men movie
Angel was in the movie.. he hadn't become Archangel yet
That was one of my biggest complaints about X3... he was supposed to be his stepbrother and he isn't a mutant in the comics... but they totally changed that in the movie
another complaint of mine. i totally agree with you
I liked Pyro in the movies... i dont think he's dead.. they didnt show him die..
Yes, they mixed Calisto's and Quicksilver and Caliban's powers together. Again it wasn't Jubilee, it was Psylocke
I agree.. and Ellen Page is totally cute.
i agree.. it was just to show special effects...
the reason i would have had singer direct is because he would have stuck with the same things he set up in the first 2 movies...
spidey said:
Jubilee wasn't bad... she's in the classroom scene next to Kitty
That i agree with... Gambit was my favorite character... he's first on the list for new characters in X4 or the Young X-Men movie
Angel was in the movie.. he hadn't become Archangel yet
That was one of my biggest complaints about X3... he was supposed to be his stepbrother and he isn't a mutant in the comics... but they totally changed that in the movie
another complaint of mine. i totally agree with you
I liked Pyro in the movies... i dont think he's dead.. they didnt show him die..
Yes, they mixed Calisto's and Quicksilver and Caliban's powers together. Again it wasn't Jubilee, it was Psylocke
agreed
I agree.. and Ellen Page is totally cute.
i agree.. it was just to show special effects...
the reason i would have had singer direct is because he would have stuck with the same things he set up in the first 2 movies...
Well, yeah; Cyclops was dissed hardcore. One of my major peeves with this thing.
And speaking being true to characters . . .
It was Cyke who had the strength to stop Dark Phoenix and recognize it as an act of love; it was Logan who was too blinded by his adolescent feelings who couldn't.
But like I said, I never wanted a Wolverine-worship fest, and that's what X3 was.
And speaking being true to characters . . .
It was Cyke who had the strength to stop Dark Phoenix and recognize it as an act of love; it was Logan who was too blinded by his adolescent feelings who couldn't.
But like I said, I never wanted a Wolverine-worship fest, and that's what X3 was.
. aw well.okay but she was ripping people to basically ash how was cyclops going to stop her? and with that comparison you're drawing from the books...which both ratner and singer strayed from.
and again wolverine was the focus of the other two as well. remember wolverine and where he came from was the basis of X2...
aaahhhh psylocke...earlier i mentioned that ratner in an interview said he went through the x-men comics looking for mutants to add to the list and he would like one character's look, but another character's power so he combined them...so technically that's not psylocke. by name yes, but by power no.
and again wolverine was the focus of the other two as well. remember wolverine and where he came from was the basis of X2...
aaahhhh psylocke...earlier i mentioned that ratner in an interview said he went through the x-men comics looking for mutants to add to the list and he would like one character's look, but another character's power so he combined them...so technically that's not psylocke. by name yes, but by power no.
novelt said:
Novelt, seriously, I think your conception of what the X-men are about is different from some of us... From Me it is, at least.
X-men isn't about superheroes brawling and showing mighty powers, but about the world they live in, the racial descrimination, the conflicts of the characters, some of them with pasts with abuse, power, etc. They all have different backgrounds and characterization. They are not one-dimensional fighters like they are in the movie.
Singer, or the scriptwiters of X1 and specially X2, where able to maintain the essence of these characters and their complexity. The overall feel and tone of the comics was preserved. X2 was an entertaining movie that wasn't brainless like this one.
I don't care who directed any of these movies. These are popcorn movies, and sincerely, in a directing standpoint, all of them don't have any distinct "personality"- they could have been shot by anyone out there. The Da Vinci Code, with its average storyline, had at least the look and feel of a Howard movie.
Sometimes, however, a director has input on the script and the way it develops, rewritting scenes and trimming, adding details. X1 felt like an average entertainment movie. X2 felt a lot better than x1, in my opinion, in therms of story. As for X3, it was terrible, and, once again, absolutelly ridiculous and unbalanced.
COncerning Phoenix ripping people appart... In the comics, Phoenix was destroying entire Planets and Stars, and still Scott could "Kill" her: Why? Because the power of their love. I just couldn't believe Jean would kill Scott like in the way she did in the movie. Now Scott can come back in X4 for all I care, but the fact is, their love, in the movies, is ****.
As for mixing everyone's powers... This is a disservice to fans, but I wouldn't mind, if there was some sort of POINT in that happening. If its just for show off, its terrible and it doesn't work, because, for fans, it doesn't feel right, and for non-fans, they don't really give a **** to characters names and their powers, since these are so one dimensional and appear in such a little time to create a bond with the audience.
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SPZ said:
While I enjoyed X 1 & 2 I thought X-3 was a weak sub-par entry to the series, and a sorry send off if it is going to be merely a trilogy.
Popcorn movie, yea sure. It's an action summer movie series. Directors don't matter? I have to disagree. Ratner did his best to imitate the look and feel of Singer's X Men movies and failed miserably. It was a cheap imitation at best. Even with a popcorn flick the director matters and frankly I think X 1 and 2 had a vibe and style their own and I attribute much of that to Singer.
Funny you should even mention the Da Vinci Code. Talk about director not mattering.
At least X-3 didn't put me to sleep, but it also pissed me off.
you don't have to tell me that...i have a huge collection. i just haven't taken the time to get the first 5. my set starts at 6 and i'm a claremont fan. have a couple issues autographed by him.
again that's the books. this is a movie. one thing you are failing to comprehend is that the producers have final say. it's their money. it's their project.
oh but here's the most important element to this whole equation...someone said that ratner came in brought in his own writers...some else said the new writer's ruined...blah, blah, blah...well if you read the credits you'll see Zak Penn is one of the writers and Zak Penn was also one of the writers of X2. so what were you saying?
now back to the producers...if they felt the story was going in the wrong direction they would've changed it. the producers approved the script. the producers hired the director. the producers have final say.
just for the sake of i like real-world and not CG...they built a 2,500 foot replica of the golden gate bridge. that's the stuff i like. CG's a wonderful exercise in artisitc freedom, but i like real world models. maybe it's just me.