Writing for Free and Experience

Oh Alex, I always find myself at odds with your posts for some reason. Nothing wrong with that, we differ in opinion and that's what is cool about these forums, right?

Again I find myself following the wise words of EJ up there. If you do not have a strong suite or even mediocre suite for crafting ideas then another line of work might be in order. However I bet he does have plenty of ideas but is simply intimidated by that long diving board ahead of him. We've all experienced it and it does get easier with time. But you must make that initial dive into the deep end, or you will never know if you have the guts (and the skill).

Alex prefers to write for others, and I suppose that's just fine. But first you must try on your own writing shoes and if, after several valiant tries you find your writing terrible, well, write someone else's shlock. But at least try to get something out of it besides a pat on the back and a promise to line their birdcage with it, because 9 out of 10 times when dealing with a 'no pay' gig that's exactly where your efforts will end up.

Keep this in mind, if they are not paying you money to write a script, which usually runs in the thousands to pay a writer, what makes you think this same amatuer filmmaker can afford equiptment, cast & crew? And if he does manage to piece together a cast & crew then I would question the cast & crew's experience level, as they will be bringing your first endeavor to the screen.

Not to mention the 'story' is clearly not that filmmakers priority if he's willing to hand it over to a writer that has never written a script, or anything for that matter. I question the priorities of any filmmaker that does this and would run the other way before crewing up with them. I know that's all a little extreme and of course there are exceptions, but its important to point out how vital the script is in the process.

I don't remember the old quote about making a good film but it goes something like, "You can make a good script into a great film, you can make a good script into a bad film, but you can never make a bad script into a good film".

Good luck.
 
Alvarez

you raise some valid points but there are so many exceptions to them.

Lots of smaller productions go with unpaid crew and all equipment is owned or borrowed. I think most everyone I work with on a pro level day to day also contributes to the film community in some way or another. Getting a free experienced crew together is generally no problem for me.

As for questioning my priorities - who said I have to use his script? If I dont like it I wont use it. If this was a paying job for a paying client I wouldnt just hire him on the spot to write it but since its a free gig for everyone involved and I'm losing money on it, it sure doesnt hurt. And whats so bad about testing the waters anyways? A new vendor comes to town I always get a bid and samples and see if they are going to be worth having around. And thats exactly what I'm doing here. Shoot if Alex or WITM comes up with something I really really like I may be calling on them with a wad of money in my hand (other peoples money of course).
 
This was not aimed at you, I'm sure you have a fine production going. As I said, there are exceptions. This is about the writer, not the filmmaker. At least that's the point I tried to make. This is about taking the plunge into writing a script based on your own ideas, that's all.
 
wow i am truly amazed at how this thread has turned out not only have i recieved several offers but ive also got alot of great advice from people. Much more helpful than alot of other forums ive been in. I appreciate everyone here and will definately remember you if i have any questions...that is if you all don't mind me asking you.

Also i appreciate the abbreviation of my name...after reading everyones posts about me saying WITM...it turns out to be a rather nice nickname for the forums haha. Yes that's really random and basically what happens to anyone with an outrageously long name but still.

Anyways thanks to everyone and feel free to keep this thread alive I enjoy coming back and reading the new advice that unfolds in everyones differing comments.
 
Sorry alvarez - I think my response came off a little defensive there :) You're right I was not looking from the perspective of the writer and as far as the writer is concerned I think everything you said should be taken into consideration at the very least.
 
Oh Alex, I always find myself at odds with your posts for some reason. Nothing wrong with that, we differ in opinion and that's what is cool about these forums, right?

Alex prefers to write for others, and I suppose that's just fine.

Right, and I always appreciate when the differences are respected, not slaughtered.

I do not prefer writing for others. I do however enjoy it. What I like is the opportunity to work with so many interesting ideas. I have written numerous original works, many long before I got into collabs, and many more are yet written. But, by working with other people I feel I have honed my skills as a writer. Far from Hollywood-ready, but certainly honed. Best of all, by working in so many genre with so many ideas, I have been more-or-less forced to develop an efficient and flexible style.


By the way, as of today, No more free screenplays. I will only finish projects I have started, and make good on promises made, and call it quits on FREE. JdaJda, you will be the last!


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