Writer's Guild Going on Strike

NorBro said:
Those views are pretty good and obviously better than many on YT but for comparison...this is the top dog on YouTube right now and probably will never be dethroned.

I don't watch him, but he averages 150-175 million views per some videos within a month/months (unprecedented, and pretty much insane).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48h57PspBec
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The editing on this is crazy. Both complicated graphics/compositing, but also a very fast and consistent pace of montage. But I got about 1:08 before turning it off. I don't actually care about yachts. And the 2 other videos recommended from this by him are "Ages 1 - 100 fight for $500,000" and "$456,000 squid game in real life", so it basically seems like a lot of focus on money/class
 
Paul F said:
'Ratings' is the percentage of TVs watching a show regardless of whether the TV is on or not (110 million households). So a 1% share is about 1.1 million TVs.

The other stat they always tracked was 'share' which is the percent of TVs that are on, what percent is watching the show.
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so basically, fewer TVs are on at any given time than they used to be?
 
ahalpert said:
The editing on this is crazy. Both complicated graphics/compositing, but also a very fast and consistent pace of montage. But I got about 1:08 before turning it off. I don't actually care about yachts. And the 2 other videos recommended from this by him are "Ages 1 - 100 fight for $500,000" and "$456,000 squid game in real life", so it basically seems like a lot of focus on money/class
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Not too complicated but definitely has a full team at this point.

But a lot of YouTubers (according to what they say) have only a few people working with them. Usually one guy/gal filming, an editor, and they hire freelancers off of random sites when they think they will need a drone or something else.

And his channel grew from stunts, challenges and crazy money giveaways...things thousands and thousands of others do but the stars aligned in his universe and per usual when the snowball starts rolling down the hill it doesn't stop with these people until it crashes and explodes and they are pretty much forgotten about like PewDiePie who averages a couple of millions views for his videos and he's still #6 on the most subs list!
 
NorBro said:
Not too complicated but definitely has a full team at this point.

But a lot of YouTubers (according to what they say) have only a few people working with them. Usually one guy/gal filming, an editor, and they hire freelancers off of random sites when they think they will need a drone or something else.

And his channel grew from stunts, challenges and crazy money giveaways...things thousands and thousands of others do but the stars aligned in his universe and per usual when the snowball starts rolling down the hill it doesn't stop with these people until it crashes and explodes and they are pretty much forgotten about like PewDiePie who averages a couple of millions views for his videos and he's still #6 on the most subs list!
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Looks like pewdiepie is taking a break from youtube for the upcoming birth of his first child.

But yeah, I think the impermanence of the institutional presence of youtubers distinguishes it from legacy broadcast. Let's say you watch fox news and they hire a new anchor. That person will have massive exposure right off the bat. On YouTube, the stars come and go. So much of it is age. Mr Beast is 25. Pewdiepie is now 33. And YouTube is youth-targeted (though probably dethroned by tiktok in that category now.)

From Wikipedia about Mr beast:

Donaldson grew up in a middle-class household in Greenville, North Carolina.[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP] He began posting videos to YouTube in early 2012, at the age of 13,[SUP][17][/SUP] under the handle MrBeast6000. His early content ranged from Let's Plays to "videos estimating the wealth of other YouTubers".[SUP][18][/SUP] He went viral in 2017 after his "counting to 100,000" video earned tens of thousands of views in just a few days, and he has become increasingly popular ever since, with most of his videos gaining tens of millions of views.[SUP][18][/SUP] Over time, his style of content diversified to include challenge and donation videos that reward thousands of dollars, videos with arduous tasks or survival challenges, and original vlogs.[SUP][19][/SUP] Once his channel took off, Donaldson hired some of his childhood friends to co-run the brand. As of 2022, the MrBeast team is made up of 30 people, including Donaldson himself.[SUP][20][/SUP] Other than MrBeast, Donaldson runs the YouTube channels Beast Reacts, MrBeast Gaming, MrBeast 2 (formerly MrBeast Shorts),[SUP][21][/SUP] and the philanthropy channel Beast Philanthropy.[SUP][22][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP] He formerly ran MrBeast 3 (initially MrBeast 2), which is now inactive.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP] He was one of the 10 highest-paid YouTubers of 2020,[SUP][26][/SUP] having an estimated net worth of $500 million.[SUP][27][/SUP]

Donaldson is the founder of MrBeast Burger and Feastables, and a co-creator of Team Trees, a fundraiser for the Arbor Day Foundation that has raised over $23 million,[SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP] and Team Seas, a fundraiser for Ocean Conservancy and The Ocean Cleanup that has raised over $30 million.[SUP][30][/SUP] Donaldson won the Creator of the Year award three times at the Streamy Awards in 2020, 2021, and 2022; he also won the Favorite Male Creator award twice at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards in 2022 and 2023. That same year, Time magazine named him as one of the world's 100 most influential people.
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A friend in the business decided, just for the heck of it, to buy a lobster from the grocery store and rescue it and turn it into a “pet” and document it and put it on his little YT channel that he has for fun. He made six figures. You just never know what’s gonna grab and go.
 
Link or it didn't happen...lol, j/k.

Seriously though...it can't be that easy; six figures seems A LOT for that.

where tf is all of this money coming from, lol
 
Paul F said:
I happened to look at TV ratings today and it happens to be the last day that Showbuzz daily is posting them. Not that it is a surprise, but no one is watching broadcast or cable. The ratings are abysmal. The highest rated show on broadcast and cable, excluding Telemundo and Univisino was less than 1%. The top shows are in the 0.3% rating. That is 0.3% of the TVs are watching the show. I'm surprised that cable and TV are even in existence with those numbers.

The point is there is no money in anything being shown on cable or TV, so the writers need to go elsewhere because no one is going to pay for writers because no one is watching.
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It’s scary. Look what ESPN just did. Dropped the hatchet on about 20 on-air talent. And we’re not talking just “day-to-day” reporters, there were some names with longevity and recognition. And they’re not done. That was just the first round of cuts(again). Just goes to show that everyone is just a number on a spreadsheet.
 
I think the real way to look at YouTube is that it's not a single actor producer with a small camera crew and a freelance editor making huge shows. It's millions of actor producers with small camera crews making a huge amount of material some of which blows up big time. But you won't to be able to have those big successes without throwing lots and lots of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. And it only works because everyone who isn't successful at it is working for free.
 
ahalpert said:
I think the real way to look at YouTube is that it's not a single actor producer with a small camera crew and a freelance editor making huge shows. It's millions of actor producers with small camera crews making a huge amount of material some of which blows up big time. But you won't to be able to have those big successes without throwing lots and lots of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. And it only works because everyone who isn't successful at it is working for free.
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It’s the ‘ole “1,000 monkeys at a 1,000 typewriters”.
 
ahalpert said:
so basically, fewer TVs are on at any given time than they used to be?
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Catastrophically fewer. When I was working on a TV show, it's first few weeks ratings were in the low 20s; meaning 20 million or 1 in 5 households watched it. It was considered very disappointing results. Compare that to a show now getting 0.3%
 
Run&Gun said:
Just goes to show that everyone is just a number on a spreadsheet.
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Well, I think that's always been true. And it's just that now the numbers are changing. I think what's scary is that the new overlords of the media landscape (big tech) are even more ruthless. And they couldn't care less about preserving the history, tradition, and culture of the media forms they are coming to dominate. We're going to end up with nothing to watch besides TikTok if they think that's to their benefit.

But I would think that with the huge demand for sports and related material that the productions won't stop, they'll just find new ownership. And likewise some of those on-air talent will get new contracts elsewhere, right?
 
ahalpert said:
I think the real way to look at YouTube is that it's not a single actor producer with a small camera crew and a freelance editor making huge shows. It's millions of actor producers with small camera crews making a huge amount of material some of which blows up big time. But you won't to be able to have those big successes without throwing lots and lots of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. And it only works because everyone who isn't successful at it is working for free.
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That's no different that TV or movies..... well, it was, back when TV had an audience, they went through piles of story ideas, scripts, development deals, and pilots that never went anywhere. The same for movies. I used to track the top 100 movies weekly. Anything below the top 30 or so lost money. So there were piles of movies made every year you never heard of that invested millions and were losers.
 
Paul F said:
That's no different that TV or movies..... well, it was, back when TV had an audience, they went through piles of story ideas, scripts, development deals, and pilots that never went anywhere. The same for movies. I used to track the top 100 movies weekly. Anything below the top 30 or so lost money. So there were piles of movies made every year you never heard of that invested millions and were losers.
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right but they probably cost hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to produce and they probably produced hundreds or thousands per year. whereas that lobster video probably cost....the cost of the lobster to produce, plus volunteer time. and there are probably millions of videos like that being produced every year. when a studio green lit a tv movie, they were taking a chance that youtube is not taking by letting the lobster video on its platform. and everybody who worked on the tv movie got paid even if they didn't end up making residuals.
 
ahalpert said:
actors talking about striking: https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1674084748166144001?s=20

looks like a big issue is qualifying for the SAG health insurance plan. this is such an American problem to begin with. Like, how many movies have we seen (Breaking Bad included) where people need to make money fast to pay for their health care. In so many other countries around the world, this is not a consideration
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Well, it depends on what consideration you are talking about. I wouldn't want to live in England:

"The current response time for a category two call – those for serious conditions, such as heart attacks or stroke – is still 32 minutes"
"Only 8% of people think ministers have the right policies for the health service"
"Too many ambulances are left queueing up outside hospitals, some for as long as an hour, unable to transfer patients to overcrowded A&E departments. Demoralized paramedics wait in vehicles outside, unable to answer emergency calls."


Or Canada:

"Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 27.4 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment"
Ambulance offload times at hospitals in Ontario: "Off-load delays of one to two hours were previously considered extreme, but now some patients and paramedics are waiting 10 to 15 hours"
Patients receiving a hip or knee replacement within 6 months - 62%
 
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