Capt Quirk
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Well, it is sort of hard to tell through the monitor.
Women in Film
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Capt Quirk
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Why are you bawking at me? Chicken...
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where did you get that idea charli? I don't have a problem telling people i'm a girl.....i love being a girl! I love playing in a "man's game" b/c it's more fun when I win!
Zak Forsman
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interesting thread. i do what i can to balance the influence of my own gender in my filmmaking. on my next feature, the d.p. and editor I've hired are both women and while gender wasn't the sole criteria, it was certainly on my mind to bring in lead creatives to balance my own male point of view. for this story in particular (Heart of Now), I think its important to have female artists to colaborate with.
Capt Quirk
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Tarantino hired a woman to edit his Kill Bill films, feeling they needed a woman's touch. Obviously, a psychotic woman 
Aaron Marshall
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What about the lack of hermaphrodites in the film industry? You would probably never know because the chances of them being this way wouldn't be made an issue. They would more than likely live there lives as a male or a female and join the statistics as such.
Who cares? Male, female, both...
If I could get a crew full of talented black female one-legged (they'd have prosthetics, jeeze I'm not that unfeasible) dwarves to help me out on a film I would be all over it. Whoever can get the job done is who should do it. Tarantino's editor on Death Proof was a woman, and wow what an incredible job she did. She was also the editor on the Kill Bill's like was said before.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0579673/
The subject of whether or not she's a female seems absurd to me. Once you're deep into your craft it doesn't matter. I myself would not discriminate. If I saw an individual's work and liked it; that's how I would go.
I do have a theory why there are less females in creative fields compared to men. I think females look for stability. These creative fields take a lot of risk which a lot of females aren't ready to take. Failure is a very real and more than likely result in attempting to break into the entertainment industry. The women that do are breaking the mold, but in the general population it's rare. It's more than likely our society and how we're being raised over what we are biologically born as male or female.
Males are generally more hot headed, one-track minded, and more likely to have delusions of grandeur which drive them forward unabashed. Does this sound like a side effect of testosterone? Could be, somewhat (this opens up a whole new can of worms, won't go into it.). A lot of us guys aren't thinking of stability, but the competitive light at the end of the tunnel. I think the modern female could have this as well once our society evolves past pink "Barbie" commercials and the brainwashing of our youth to establish gender roles. That's the real problem.
Honestly I don't agree with "women see things differently". I think most men and women try to separate themselves with such archaic thoughts. I don't know the reason, maybe it adds to sexual tension. Again, it could be true to a certain extent through conditioning but not naturally.
Who cares? Male, female, both...
If I could get a crew full of talented black female one-legged (they'd have prosthetics, jeeze I'm not that unfeasible) dwarves to help me out on a film I would be all over it. Whoever can get the job done is who should do it. Tarantino's editor on Death Proof was a woman, and wow what an incredible job she did. She was also the editor on the Kill Bill's like was said before.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0579673/
The subject of whether or not she's a female seems absurd to me. Once you're deep into your craft it doesn't matter. I myself would not discriminate. If I saw an individual's work and liked it; that's how I would go.
I do have a theory why there are less females in creative fields compared to men. I think females look for stability. These creative fields take a lot of risk which a lot of females aren't ready to take. Failure is a very real and more than likely result in attempting to break into the entertainment industry. The women that do are breaking the mold, but in the general population it's rare. It's more than likely our society and how we're being raised over what we are biologically born as male or female.
Males are generally more hot headed, one-track minded, and more likely to have delusions of grandeur which drive them forward unabashed. Does this sound like a side effect of testosterone? Could be, somewhat (this opens up a whole new can of worms, won't go into it.). A lot of us guys aren't thinking of stability, but the competitive light at the end of the tunnel. I think the modern female could have this as well once our society evolves past pink "Barbie" commercials and the brainwashing of our youth to establish gender roles. That's the real problem.
Honestly I don't agree with "women see things differently". I think most men and women try to separate themselves with such archaic thoughts. I don't know the reason, maybe it adds to sexual tension. Again, it could be true to a certain extent through conditioning but not naturally.
alex whitmer
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Have to respectfully disagree, and you more ore less contradicted yourself anyways.
Women and men do see things differently due to their biological differences. Whether that noticiably manifests itself in all professions I don't know, but I would think it certanly would in the creative fields.
Women tend to be more intuitive, and, as you pointed out, tend to seek stability more than men. Seems natural (not conditioned) due to the fact that they bear children, and this requires a sense of safety, something men may or may not experience with the same depth.
While I don't expect any differnce in professionalism or creative forse, I am curious if in fact they would approach film differntly. It's a fact women see more colors than men. How would that translate to cinematography?
Go visit a cyber where school kids hang out and you'll see 99% of the boys playing war games, and 99% of the women chatting. Conditioning?
I am a firm believer men and women DO see things differently, beyond conditioning, and thus would have a different approach to film.
I for one want to at least see for myself.
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Women and men do see things differently due to their biological differences. Whether that noticiably manifests itself in all professions I don't know, but I would think it certanly would in the creative fields.
Women tend to be more intuitive, and, as you pointed out, tend to seek stability more than men. Seems natural (not conditioned) due to the fact that they bear children, and this requires a sense of safety, something men may or may not experience with the same depth.
While I don't expect any differnce in professionalism or creative forse, I am curious if in fact they would approach film differntly. It's a fact women see more colors than men. How would that translate to cinematography?
Go visit a cyber where school kids hang out and you'll see 99% of the boys playing war games, and 99% of the women chatting. Conditioning?
I am a firm believer men and women DO see things differently, beyond conditioning, and thus would have a different approach to film.
I for one want to at least see for myself.
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Capt Quirk
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Being married, I guarantee they see things different...
Charli
cool little "title"
A female writer (I want to say for the show, "Maude") wanted to do a show on how a bridesmaid can't afford a gown - the male writers said they would never have thought of that. Our experiences as men and women DO differ, in how we communicate, in how we react to situations, in so many ways.
I'm reading a book now Women Who Run The Show and it starts back in the 70s until now in how women were/are treated. What did men say about women writers back then?
Women can't write comedy - they're not funny.
No joke, it's in the book. Men would say they're not use to working with women, doesn't this remind you of the executive business world a few years back? Change takes time and in order to make changes, there needs to be women who are willing to go out there and jump right on in into the whirlpool of men.
Now, going back to the original thread post, why aren't there more women posting here? I mean women who are unafraid to show their gender. Are they not comfortable? Are they afraid of being hit on? (I've been made to feel uncomfortable from time to time when I ask a question that some think is elementary, and yes, I've been hit on)
Whatever the reason, I too find it interesting how there are not many prolific female posters that you know are women.
Does this mean men make women feel uneasy? Does it mean women take things too seriously and are overtly sensitive? I dunno. All I know is that I am a tomboy since childhood and I can play with the boys, take a few punches, just doesn't phase me. But the playground, truthfully, it isn't for everybody.
I'm reading a book now Women Who Run The Show and it starts back in the 70s until now in how women were/are treated. What did men say about women writers back then?
Women can't write comedy - they're not funny.
No joke, it's in the book. Men would say they're not use to working with women, doesn't this remind you of the executive business world a few years back? Change takes time and in order to make changes, there needs to be women who are willing to go out there and jump right on in into the whirlpool of men.
Now, going back to the original thread post, why aren't there more women posting here? I mean women who are unafraid to show their gender. Are they not comfortable? Are they afraid of being hit on? (I've been made to feel uncomfortable from time to time when I ask a question that some think is elementary, and yes, I've been hit on)
Whatever the reason, I too find it interesting how there are not many prolific female posters that you know are women.
Does this mean men make women feel uneasy? Does it mean women take things too seriously and are overtly sensitive? I dunno. All I know is that I am a tomboy since childhood and I can play with the boys, take a few punches, just doesn't phase me. But the playground, truthfully, it isn't for everybody.
Capt Quirk
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Does that include the nw "metrosexual" movement?
Now, going back to the original thread post, why aren't there more women posting here? I mean women who are unafraid to show their gender. Are they not comfortable? Are they afraid of being hit on? (I've been made to feel uncomfortable from time to time when I ask a question that some think is elementary, and yes, I've been hit on). Whatever the reason, I too find it interesting how there are not many prolific female posters that you know are women. [/quote] That is likely the reason... even though I have been behaving
I didn't mean to...
Yes.
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Capt Quirk
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Awwwww shucks
Capt Quirk
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Now we know who they are, start hitting on them!
Just kidding of course...
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Just kidding of course...
Welcome abroad
alex whitmer
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Welcome
Welcome
What's your take on the issue whether women see the world differently than men?
And if so, could that difference manifest itself in film?
A
Welcome
What's your take on the issue whether women see the world differently than men?
And if so, could that difference manifest itself in film?
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Charli
cool little "title"
Alex - women are nurturing beast while men are typically more aggressive creatures. Gender does come into play when shooting, as does experience and what type of soul is within a person dictates not only how they interpret the story, but how they view the world.
So yes, gender does play a part, but the soul within plays an even great part in how something is filmed.
HVX - hey, yo, welcome aboard.
So yes, gender does play a part, but the soul within plays an even great part in how something is filmed.
HVX - hey, yo, welcome aboard.
alex whitmer
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Well said, Charli.
You're right. Soul will account for so much of the end result. We are, after all, human first, male or female second.
I guess my question really started out as to why there are not more women in film? I guess I can rephrase it to 'why aren't there more VISIBLE women in film?'
I'm not looking for more 'women's issues' to be filmed, just a differnt perspective. I am so tired of the bang-bang shoot-em up films, and it seems the most attractive to young filmmakers. Low on dialogue, high on body-counts. It offers no reisitence, and few demands.
I want more out of film.
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You're right. Soul will account for so much of the end result. We are, after all, human first, male or female second.
I guess my question really started out as to why there are not more women in film? I guess I can rephrase it to 'why aren't there more VISIBLE women in film?'
I'm not looking for more 'women's issues' to be filmed, just a differnt perspective. I am so tired of the bang-bang shoot-em up films, and it seems the most attractive to young filmmakers. Low on dialogue, high on body-counts. It offers no reisitence, and few demands.
I want more out of film.
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