Wireless Lav Set-up transmitter choice

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Westcroft

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I'm trying to decide which lav set-up to go with, but I'm having trouble choosing what style of transmitter to go with.

I've been looking up different set-ups and threads and I've come to conclusion that I should factor in a decent set of lav mics to replace the stock ones that come with any set-up I buy.

I decided to go with Countryman EMW Omnidirectional lavs. I have the option to go with XLR or 1/8", which made me think... Opposed to buying this wireless set-up:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...echnica_ATW_1821D_ATW_1821_Dual_Wireless.html

which comes with two bodypacks, I could go with this set-up:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...echnica_ATW_1822D_ATW_1822_Dual_Wireless.html

which has those XLR transmitters... Which I assume are smaller, potentially easier to hide and from what I can gather are better quality because I could use XLR countryman lavs without having to go to 1/8" .

Would I notice an increase in sound quality? Can those XLR transmitters work well with lavs? such as this one:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._EMW_Omnidirectional_Lavalier_Microphone.html

For more information:

I'm using this for short films, I don't have a ton of money so I'm budgetting around $1200 on the lav set-up and I definately like the idea of being able to use two transmitters (I was originally going to buy two seperate sennheiser g3 set-ups, but I've heard good thing about the AT-1800 series dual channel set-up).

I will be shooting using an HMC150 so I have two XLR inputs at my disposal.

Cheers!
 
body packs are easier to hide. if you get xlr ended lavs its kind of a large end and then combining with the xlr butt plugs will make hiding/mounting uncomfy or talent.
 
You can get your lavs wired to whatever connector you need, any of the usual location audio shops can do it for you.
 
manglerBMX said:
body packs are easier to hide. if you get xlr ended lavs its kind of a large end and then combining with the xlr butt plugs will make hiding/mounting uncomfy or talent.
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Makes sense, thanks!

JordanBlock said:
You can get your lavs wired to whatever connector you need, any of the usual location audio shops can do it for you.
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I actually found this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=294585&is=REG

It has the correct input on it, so I'm set!



I'm still curious if there's any quality difference between connectors. I'd just assume XLR is the best, but I know very little about audio.
 
Westcroft,

Note that if you do plan on the EMW lavs set up for wireless, regardless of plug type, they will not work plugged directly into your cam due to the 48v phantom power issue. I believe the EMWs for wireless are made to run on 5v.

Sennheiser makes a problem solver for this which is designed for the plugs on the G2 - G3 systems. Countryman sells something similar. This gadget is worth most of the price of buying an additional EMW, so that is something to think about. See link

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=WishList.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=387918&is=REG

If you did go the butt plug route, Sennheiser (and probably others) make a transmitter which can supply 48v phantom. Doing this, you could order your EMW for 48v phantom with a XLR connector.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...0_A_SKP2000_Wireless_Plug_In_Transmitter.html

I have G2 systems with the EMWs and they sound pretty good, but I would like to have a hardwired lav also and I think I'll just go ahead and buy one made for 48v phantom instead of the overpriced adapter.

Best Regards,
Grant
 
ggrantly said:
Westcroft,

Note that if you do plan on the EMW lavs set up for wireless, regardless of plug type, they will not work plugged directly into your cam due to the 48v phantom power issue. I believe the EMWs for wireless are made to run on 5v.

Sennheiser makes a problem solver for this which is designed for the plugs on the G2 - G3 systems. Countryman sells something similar. This gadget is worth most of the price of buying an additional EMW, so that is something to think about. See link

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=WishList.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=387918&is=REG

If you did go the butt plug route, Sennheiser (and probably others) make a transmitter which can supply 48v phantom. Doing this, you could order your EMW for 48v phantom with a XLR connector.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...0_A_SKP2000_Wireless_Plug_In_Transmitter.html

I have G2 systems with the EMWs and they sound pretty good, but I would like to have a hardwired lav also and I think I'll just go ahead and buy one made for 48v phantom instead of the overpriced adapter.

Best Regards,
Grant
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I'm a little confused, are you saying that the countryman mics won't work with the Audio Technica wireless set-up? Countryman has a type of mic that uses the 4-pin hirose connector that is meant for Audio-Technica ATW-1821.

When you say "Note that if you do plan on the EMW lavs set up for wireless, regardless of plug type, they will not work plugged directly into your cam due to the 48v phantom power issue." are you saying the lavs aren't going to work with my cam? The lavs are going to be connected to the transmitter, I'm not connecting the lavs directly to the cam..

Or am I misunderstanding you.

If I bought this wireless set-up
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...A=details&Q=&sku=460224&is=REG#specifications

and these mics to go with it
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...A=details&Q=&sku=294585&is=REG#specifications

Where does the connection problem reside?
 
Westcroft,

Sorry if I confused you. I might have worded it better.

You had mentioned the possibility of getting a EMW wired with XLR connectors to fit a butt-plug transmitter. My point was for you to realize that the typical EMW with XLR connector is meant for 48v phantom power and not compatible with economy wireless systems. The AT systems you linked do not list phantom power as a feature.

You can install an XLR plug on an EMW made for wireless and use it with a butt-plug. But the phantom powered mic and the wireless mic are not the same due to the different power requirements.

Just make sure you order correctly. The BH listings on Countryman products are a little vague on this. If you call Countryman, they will build any termination you need and make sure the mic is compatible with your use.

Grant
 
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