Why don`t you use makeup?

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I looked at a lot of the user films here. Poeple are talking about camera, lights, lenses, blocking andwhatnot.

I noticed that everybody tries to get everything right, but view poeple use makeup.

I find it hell to shoot without makeup.
The flesh tones are so much better, and burning out and glare on faces (especialy if in front of a 2k fresnell) are so much better to controll.

I´m no makeup artist but it´s no rocket science.
Got me a kit together for under $150 that lasts a log time.

Basic to start with is a grease makeup palette (Film/TV Flesh tones) and some transparent powder from Grimas or Kryolan . With $50 and some sponges your prepared for the basics and every idiot can put cream makeup on a actors face (even I can).

It´s pretty worth it.

Frank
 
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I have when I felt it was necessary. My last student film I used make-up on the girls to make them look softer and, on one particular girl, to make her look a lot hotter than she was. I didn't want it on the guys because I liked the harsher qualities of their faces.

On my current project, I want the film to be gritty and, so far, everyone looks good without. I want the glare and the crevises. I may end up using make-up on the little girl however since she needs to be cute and soft.
 
Um, yep! I use a makeup artist! I couldn't agree more with their importance. I've used makeup on my actors on all my shorts going back 4 years nwo.
 
it's usually a money thing with a lot of people. The problem with a make up person is that they are never really part of the crew. It's usually a girl that sits and reads a magazine and is called (if remembered) every now and then.

i used it on my project.... vimeo/pandachase .. and will probably use it on my feature.
 
For any of you that shoot in the Mid-Atlantic area, I use Michelle Torres (www.makeupartiststudio.com) and she is decidely not the make-up girl in the corner. She has become an integral part of the team for our production company.

A good makeup person at the least should also be handling continuity issues with hair, clothing, etc... especially on an indie or small commercial set without a lot of personnel. Michelle is also great at set dressing, how lighting affects the actors makeup, postioning of the camera to best take advantage of a person's look, etc... They should also be touching up your actors between takes, especially in hot weather.

She also has a school for video/film/glamour makeup that is highly successful in graduating students that she has trained in her own method and on set professionalism. Her students are from all over the world, so anyone that needs a makeup person and can't find a person trained in film techniques should give her a call (or maybe send an employee to have an in-house person?).

I know in my own corporate and commercial jobs, a good makeup person makes the difference between eye popping and ho-hum. And that translates into winning jobs and bigger customers.

Mark G
www.newmediadevcorp.com
 
Are there any sites with general tips about make-up for HD shooting?

I know a pro make-up artist, but she mostly does theater so I'm definitely hesitating about whether it would be obvious on camera (as I've heard even regular film make-up pros have some trouble with the cameras like RED, which is what I'm shooting on soon)
 
...be careful with theater makeup artists. I told one makeup artist to make my actor look old and tired and he took him in the back for 2 hours and brought him out with soooo much **** on his face he looked like a zombie. no joke. I thought it would work but it just really hurt the production.
 
We have a pro hair and make up girl... not much specialty or FX make up and I don't care if we had none, I still need to make my hot girlfriend look hotter! hoter! can never look too hot... that's just the way I see it... and there is not a SINGLT girl in this world of ours that truly nails with reliability the natural beauty make up job... make it look like there isn't ANY make up or just a little color shadow and little eyeliner, but that's basic and those two portions of a complete make up job, and those two things don't necessarily need to be invisible
... unless she just woke up, is getting dressed or came out of the shower, or if it calls for that specific look... but still, you can never consider not cleaning up someone's skin if they are going to be in a closeup at all at any point! :)
 
Good make up goes unnoticed. Bad make up is even worse than no make up. And good make up is expensive.
 
It´s pretty easy.
I did all the make up (including FX make up) for my Timefest entry by myself after watching some videos on U-tube.

The grease makeup comes in about 20 different flesh tones.
Try to find the one that matches your talent the best and put it on with a sponge.
Then take transparent powder from the same company (Grimas or Kyrolan) and powder the face.
There you go - basic makeup (at least for male).

Don´t need any education or makeup person for that.

Frank
 
Cazcam said:
Good make up goes unnoticed. Bad make up is even worse than no make up. And good make up is expensive.
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Yes.. just add to that the general consensus emerging here, without surprise, that it is too important to go without it and I think you summed it up in it's entirety.

Postmaster said:
There you go - basic makeup (at least for male).

Don´t need any education or makeup person for that.

Frank
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Totally frank, unless you have serious long hair that needs taming, in which case IMO you best get a kick ass girl and forget about continuity, while likely finding a small tweak that makes the guy more "whatever you need him to be like", and continuity!!
I am also including her together with Michelle (Acting/Producing) and Garret (DP).
 
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Cazcam said:
Good make up goes unnoticed. Bad make up is even worse than no make up.
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Yes. Sounds just like film music!


Postmaster said:
Don´t need any education or makeup person for that.
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I admire your out of the box, simple and working solutions, Frank. Many others just get stuck not knowing how to do this or that, where you simply do it!

Not only this brilliant mentality saves a lot of headache and time, it also saves a great deal of money, which may explain how you've been managing to produce Unzeit without spending a penny. Simply and quickly. Bravo.
 
I have worked with some theater make-up artists in the past and it is usually not great.

Theater make-up artists (and theater actors) have a tendency to make sure that the people who sit 200 feet away, in the back rows, can see their work/performance.

The camera is rarely 200 feet away from your talent in the case of a makeup job.

To work with a theater makeup artist, you have to make crystal clear the fact that you want subtle, clean make-up that is only going to be seen up close.
 
Erez Henya said:
Yes. Sounds just like film music!




I admire your out of the box, simple and working solutions, Frank. Many others just get stuck not knowing how to do this or that, where you simply do it!

Not only this brilliant mentality saves a lot of headache and time, it also saves a great deal of money, which may explain how you've been managing to produce Unzeit without spending a penny. Simply and quickly. Bravo.
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Im notorious broke, I had to do it that way or leave it. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Meeting with our make up artist today, and meeting with two hair stylists to help her do what we want or for them to divide their departments. We just might need an assistant one of the days.
 
dasher said:
it's usually a money thing with a lot of people. The problem with a make up person is that they are never really part of the crew. It's usually a girl that sits and reads a magazine and is called (if remembered) every now and then.

i used it on my project.... vimeo/pandachase .. and will probably use it on my feature.
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It's a money thing with me.
 
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