Why Apple Failed For Me

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WHY APPLE FAILED FOR ME
BY JOHN SKANDROS

I am twenty-two years old and have been using an Apple computer since I was in elementary school. My first computer was an Apple Performa, which carried me throughout High School. I have been a faithful customer to Apple throughout my life, arguing against those PC lovers who despise the computer. Throughout half of my academic career at the University of Southern California, I worked on a blue clamshell laptop, which I was poked fun of for in class when it became outdated. Even though it became slower and more outdated as every month passed by, I stood loyal to the computer because it was a part of who I was…it is what I grew up with, even though I knew how to work a Dell.

Upon my acceptance into the USC Cinema Production Program and a part time job in the film and television department at Parsons, my family decided to help me buy new computer. With money saved from various minimum wage jobs and with the help of my mother, I chose the new Apple dual 1.8 G5 because I thought it would carry me throughout film school and my career. This was less than one-year ago.

So, the story begins. After three months, the DVD burner wouldn’t function, which I had to have replaced. And now when I play DVD’s, the picture is pixilated and looks like a downloaded version of a movie. The cord on the keyboard and the mouse is so short and could never reach from my desk to the USB ports, so I had to buy a blue tooth with a wireless keyboard and mouse (I should have just bought a USB hub).

The icing on the cake happened last week. I was editing a film project for the cinema school ( Final Cut Pro HD that I paid for, system 10.3.5), when half the project suddenly went media offline. I looked in the capture scratch folder and two clips I had logged were completely gone…GONE! Also, half of the render files were erased as well…and since I was using magic bullet editors with extensive color correction, it amounted to over ten hours of rendering…completely vanished! I conducted a search and they were nowhere to be found. I am not a novice when it comes to final cut pro or apple computers, and something like this should not have happened.

After a short panic attack, I called Apple in hope of finding help. I explained to them what happened and they had never heard of such a thing. Even after buying the apple care protection plan and spending over $5000 on this system, they said that my three month grace period was up and that I would have to pay a two-hundred dollar one time fee or six hundred dollars for the year, even for a student. Now, that is a ridiculous amount of money for a kid on financial aid. So, for ten hours of panic and puking in the bathroom (since the project was due the evening of that day), I had to re-capture the footage and re-edit everything, which I had been working on for four weeks. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to finish in time…not only because the computer erased my files, but my blue tooth connector kept turning off and on causing the wireless keyboard and mouse not to function…and, final cut pro would quit every time I tried to print to video. I have kept my computer in top shape, I have plenty of space on my drive, no viruses, and I followed every precaution that I knew from experience and from the manuals so that my computer would function properly. After many wasted hours, it finally worked.

So because of all of this, Apple cost me my grade in the class, embarrassment, and my loyalty. I am so angry and so afraid to even edit on my computer again. I even have defended Apple to my co-workers at Parsons, since they are running old PC’s with Premiere. I have kept pushing for them to upgrade their systems to the G5 with Final Cut Pro HD, which I will no longer continue to do, after what happened. I’m sorry if I sound completely bitter, but I feel betrayed. It was really a horrible experience and something I never want to go through again…I hope that no one has to go through what I did. Yes, I wish I would have had a backup drive…God forbid if I were editing a feature or a longer project…or a project for work…I would have lost my job. This was only a 5-minute project!!!!!!!! Apple, you have ruined a loyal customer’s faith in you.

John Skandros
USC School of Cinema-Tv
Skandros@usc.edu
 
Re: Why Apple Failed For Me

Hi John,

I really feel sorry for you. I have owned my Mac for 4 years now, and I have never had any problems with it.
My PC, on the other hand, keeps giving me problems. Two days ago my Power Supply just blew up while I was switching it on.
I like both machines, but PCs are a nightmare.

Wish you luck with your new choice.

All the best

Fidel.
 
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Sorry you lost your project.
For future reference try the various discussion boards. They usually provide better info than the vendor, whomever that might be.

The Apple discussion boards have specifics for each software and computer.
There's also 2-pop for FCP which has discussed some of the issues (and solutions?) that you mention.

Print to tape crash - Likely to be a corrupt QT file. Delete some of your clips from your project (but don't save) Whittle down until you find the bad clip. Re-Capture or try re-save (self contained) in QT Pro.

There are USB extension cords for keyboards and other equipment as well.

Not sure what the 3 month grace period is all about.
If you have a hardware problem then that will be covered by Apple Care.
If you want pro 24/7 support for FCP then that will cost you.
 
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i've had similar problems with fcp.

we were editing for a contest on a time crunch when half of our files disappeared. two hours of capturing later it was time to print to tape. we tried the print to tape feature, dropped a frame, and had to start over. then we just hit the space bar and pressed record on the deck. 3 dropped frames that didn't show up until the screening in front of hundreds of people [we got the tape turned in with no time to spare and no time to watch the tape] meant 3 long pauses that skipped over about a third of the total film. on that particular project we were using a g4, a lacie and a deck.

i normally use premiere on my 1 gig celeron pc with 1 hard drive, 11 megs of video ram and 256 of system ram. it's slow but i've never dropped a frame or lost any footage. weird.
 
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I really feel for you. I've been loyal to apple my entire life, and more than once they've pissed me right off with the occasional refusal to admit that they're products have flaws.

Overall though, I'm still on their side.

Now the good (or bad?) news. Your problem is a known bug. There is a discussion on the FCP boards on the apple website about exactly this. Check it out. Even the hard core FCP users have had this bug and are pissed.

Good luck!
 
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Strange, ever since v 1.25, I've never seen or heard of clips disappearing from hard drives. Corrupted files, media offline, etc, sure. But it sounds like some sort of botched media manager transfer.
Bummer, sorry that happened to you but at least you have your EDL and can quickly batch capture all your clips, right?

-CJ
www.arkhamfilms.com
 
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d00d! MAKE SOME NOISE!

This can't be great for Apple PR...to be lambasted on a website were the majority of users are likely to buy an apple...it could mean thousands if not millions of dollars....if 10 people decided against apple because of you, they'd be out $50,000! It's not hard for this to start adding up...
I'm not quite the activist, but there must be something someone can do for you, they could at least refurb your machine or waive the cost of maintenance...
scream, man...scream.
Do not go gently into the night!

we pay for machines to work FOR us, not against us...calculate also, how much you're paying for school, and just how much $$ that grade cost you...you've already prevented your workplace form switching...that could easily be an adiditional $20,000...see?  And you're not likely to buy again...you're not just Joe Blow...you're a digital filmmaker, and we are largely responsible for the resurrection of Apple's sales. You'd be hard-pressed in our field to totally ignore Apple forever...
I'm telling you dude, it's not a pipe dream. Scream enough, and you'll get heard...call someone to annoy...like a marketing person. If it really matters to you, keep pushing and something will move. Send your letter to your local paper...remember what happened to the kid who was pissed off about the ipod battery? Just make noise.

"This is America, Jack!" -- John Amos

Peace!
 
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good advice. however, as a filmmaker i want a company who will take care of me right now when i call the 1-800 number in the manual. if apple won't do it, maybe sony or hp or dell [yeah, right] or toshiba or compaq or any of the many other pc companies will. it's apple vs. the pc world. they need to take care of their group of customers or risk losing them forever.
 
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Hey Everyone!

Thanks so much for all of your responses and being so kind and sympathetic. Unfortunately I've been so consumed with school and planning my third film project (which I am shooting tomorrow) that I haven't had time to go to the apple store...but I am definitely going next weekend. I'm thinking of writing the company or trying to figure out something so that this won't happen again.

I hope I didn't come off too whiney...I was SOOOOOOOOO angry at the moment and still am livid...I'm so afraid to edit on this computer (which is really sad). I'll keep you guys updated with everything that happens...thanks!

J
 
Re: Why Apple Failed For Me

Hey Everyone!

Thanks so much for all of your responses and being so kind and understanding. Unfortunately I've been so consumed with school and planning my third film project (which I am shooting tomorrow) that I haven't had time to go to the apple store...but I am definitely going next weekend. I'm thinking of writing the company or trying to figure out something so that this won't happen again.

I hope I didn't come off too whiney...I was SOOOOOOOOO angry after that happened and still am...I'm so afraid to edit on this computer (which is really sad). I could understand why some people would say it is my fault for not backing up...and I understand that...but files should not be completely removed from the capture scratch folder...render files shouldn't be missing, and on top of that, a blue tooth malfunctioning, and FCP quitting EVERYTIME I try to print to to video (all on a G5 less than 1 year old)....AHH!!!! this is apple's fault (in my opinion) ;)

I'll keep you guys updated with everything that happens...thanks!

J
 
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G5's are plagued. i have one, and i deal with its noisy fans and, occasionally, an app freezing. i allready, though, have had one processor replaced, and even had a whole new computer replaced, i still have problems occasionally. rat bastards.

p.s. you didnt need bluetooth keyboards. powermacs come with a usb extender of aboout 3 feet (you mightve not caught it in the box) the reviews on apple bluetooth keyboard alone shouldve cautioned you.
 
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I kinda know what you mean, johnnyvegasusc. Granted, I'm currently using an eMac with a G4, but...I'm in the process of making a rough cut of a 100-minute feature shot 24pA, and the machine's giving me hell. This is actually the third time I've attempted the rough cut (I started the first go-around back in August). On the first attempt, the FCP file simply corrupted, went back to the source Linux configuration, whatever you call it. It screwed up and pretty much completely invalidated the entire editing process; I tried everything to get it back. A month and a half later, I lost one render file--thus, it wouldn't let me open the file without deleting from the Render Manager. I did so--much to my chagrin, since rendering on my computer takes usually enough time for about three cigarettes and a phone call--and once I did so, the project file refused to open. Trashed it again. Thus, I'm starting on my third rough cut of the movie (now with only scenes needing to be ADR'd by the lead actor, who's coming back to town for ten days only) 'cause apparently FCPHD's decided it didn't like the previous edits; that's great, but, you know, most response to a bad edit stops at telling you. I'm just about ready to go with a PC and Avid.
 
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i have had my dual 2 gig g5 over over a year now and only have had one small problemw ith FCP. knock on wood. i switched to apple from PC but im still really glad i did.
 
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Johnny:

Yes, backing up would be a safe idea for your next project just so you can avoid all this trouble next time.

I have two 250 GB hard drives in my G5. With Apple's Backup software, I set it to automatically make a backup from one drive to the other at midnight every night.

Also, there should have been a USB extension cord that came with your G5 for your keyboard.

As for AppleCare, someone else who posted was right. The AppleCare Protection Plan is mainly hardware and CONSUMER software only. The Professional line of applications is not covered. Your best bet would be to talk with a Mac Genius at your store, he/she will be more helpful than the AppleCare phone reps.

As for your current Final Cut Pro and bluetooth problems, I know you stated that you are familiar with Macs in general but it doesn't hurt to ask:

-Have you checked the batteries on your bluetooth products?
-Have you run disk utilities to repair the permissions on your G5?
-Have you tried reformatting your Mac and reinstalling everything?

Keep us up-to-date. Really sorry to see that you had a bad experience this time around.
 
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I would have to say if you were to survey the MAC bad experiences to the PC ones, Mac by far has much much less. I do feel for your issue and known that it is beyond frustration but honestly a PC will not give you any more peace of mind. Plus a PC is much more third party run so the loop of people you deal with to answer any question is much worse. I would deinitly heed the advice and complain till someone listens.

Just my opinion I was a PC guy for years turned MAC two years ago and would never ever go back.
 
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yo dude

Sorry about your project... I use to have APPLE, that apple give me so much problems 40% of time is fixing it... I lost soo many school projects and even some important jobs [which paying for the computer and college] and guess what now I have a laptop made by acer is much faster than my apple, never had problem :) love PC ... NO MORE APPLE... go get a PC and get AVID or vegas you will be much much happier :)

good luck

yours truly

jin

Apple have very good resale value... sell it on ebay and get a AMD PC...
 
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save save save evry 5 minutes . i have my system to save evry 3 minutes. and use RESTORE PROJECT once you turn it back on, hopefully all that memory is put to good use.
at least you don't have to fight problems like you get on PC. where as macs "get it" pc's don't.
 
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