So if Resolve is using Intel Quick Sync to accelerate the video processing, is it also still using nVidia routines to do the same? On a machine that has both, will it use both to speed things up? Thinking about the integrated (dedicated) nVidia GPU in many laptops, they used to call it nVidia Optimus and would switch back and forth between the two GPUs as needed with generally 2D stuff on Intel and 3D stuff on nVidia.
who is using Resolve as their edit tool NOT simply as a grading tool?
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joema
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To my knowledge it's only using Quick Sync, not both that and the nVidia NVDEC/NVENC logic. For regular, traditional graphic-related GPU functions it will use the external graphics card plus the on-CPU Quick Sync logic only for video transcoding which is hosted in the integrated GPU.
This is confusing because both Quick Sync and the nVidia and AMD transcoding logic is essentially separate from the GPU and are accessed via separate APIs. But as implemented they require the GPU to get high-speed access to the frame buffer. That's why Xeon CPUs with over 4 cores don't have Quick Sync, because those CPUs don't have an integrated GPU. Intel didn't want to squander the transistor and power budget to put the iGPU on Xeon just because a few (in their mind) users might want accelerated video transcoding. They likely figured Xeon servers don't need a discrete GPU and Xeon workstations would always have a discrete GPU, and those users will probably use highly specialized software that (if needed) can harness the GPU-posted video transcoding logic.
In actual fact Xeon workstations often need video transcoding acceleration and the support for GPU-hosted video acceleration has been poor and inconsistent. This is why a MacBook running FCPX can transcode video faster than a 12-core D700 Mac Pro. Hypothetically you could design a CPU without an integrated GPU yet which has Quick Sync, but Intel hasn't done that.
There was also a viewpoint that hardware-accelerated transcoding produced lower quality material and pro workstation users only want the best quality so they'll use software encoding. This has proven false, as Quick Sync as used by FCPX and Resolve is superb quality and I can't tell any difference between that and software encoding.
For the 1st time on the iMac Pro, both Apple and DaVinci are using the AMD UVD/VCE transcoding hardware. It works fairly well but it's not as fast as Quick Sync.
This is confusing because both Quick Sync and the nVidia and AMD transcoding logic is essentially separate from the GPU and are accessed via separate APIs. But as implemented they require the GPU to get high-speed access to the frame buffer. That's why Xeon CPUs with over 4 cores don't have Quick Sync, because those CPUs don't have an integrated GPU. Intel didn't want to squander the transistor and power budget to put the iGPU on Xeon just because a few (in their mind) users might want accelerated video transcoding. They likely figured Xeon servers don't need a discrete GPU and Xeon workstations would always have a discrete GPU, and those users will probably use highly specialized software that (if needed) can harness the GPU-posted video transcoding logic.
In actual fact Xeon workstations often need video transcoding acceleration and the support for GPU-hosted video acceleration has been poor and inconsistent. This is why a MacBook running FCPX can transcode video faster than a 12-core D700 Mac Pro. Hypothetically you could design a CPU without an integrated GPU yet which has Quick Sync, but Intel hasn't done that.
There was also a viewpoint that hardware-accelerated transcoding produced lower quality material and pro workstation users only want the best quality so they'll use software encoding. This has proven false, as Quick Sync as used by FCPX and Resolve is superb quality and I can't tell any difference between that and software encoding.
For the 1st time on the iMac Pro, both Apple and DaVinci are using the AMD UVD/VCE transcoding hardware. It works fairly well but it's not as fast as Quick Sync.
Anyone go through the basic editing book yet? https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training
I impulse bought it and it arrived today. There is a link to take an online certificate exam too, I assume this is the same exam given by the training places.
Going to get the materials downloaded and see if I can dedicate some time each day to chew through the lessons. 15 chapters and the few I've looked at are mostly rated at 45 minutes per chapter.
I also bought the Intro to Fairlight book, figured it would help since that tool is far less known to me.
I impulse bought it and it arrived today. There is a link to take an online certificate exam too, I assume this is the same exam given by the training places.
Going to get the materials downloaded and see if I can dedicate some time each day to chew through the lessons. 15 chapters and the few I've looked at are mostly rated at 45 minutes per chapter.
I also bought the Intro to Fairlight book, figured it would help since that tool is far less known to me.
puredrifting
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Let us know how it goes. I've just been dabbling with Resolve, have used it for a few quick and simple edits but I have not buckled down and actually learned it properly. It's such a deep and capable program, it's going to take me a few weeks of actual training to get fast and skilled on it. Someday when I have weeks to devote to it ;-)
The first project is all drag and drop based. The next chapter dives into media import and metadata entry/organization. That's as far as I've gone but I like how it can organize things with smart bins based on metadata. I need to try importing some media from work (XDCamEX) and some from my GH2 (AC3 audio always gives problems), then export and see how well it goes. Overall it looks like they (Black Magic) have really gotten things together. I like that I (a mere mortal) can buy the training books and go through the process without a 30 day limit on the software, and possibly even certify myself all from home. This is about as far opposite as you can get from Media Composer, you can't even buy the books anymore (unless they changed without my seeing it). As far as this first book goes, so far I like how they are doing things, and while it can be somewhat Mac focused, it is working without making me think too much being a windows user. The concepts are well constructed (so far) and they are clear. If it stays this way, then it will be money well spent by them to get this produced, and money well spent by me to learn, the books are pretty cheap considering the number of pages.
In theory, you are looking at about 15-20 hours of work if you sit down and concentrate on only this task. That's for the "basic" editing book, they have an "advanced" editing course listed but no book ready yet. The Fairlight book should be here in a few days, but I won't get into it for a while.
Some of the keyboard shortcuts are the same as Media Composer, many are not. I'll probably buy new stickers for my laptop to make life easier. Though I'm kind of thinking of getting an XKeys 68 jog/shuttle unless I can find one of the smallest Resolve panels cheap. I don't do a lot of editing every day/week, so having a well laid out control panel lets me get work done faster when I do have something to work on. My proficiency with Lightworks went up a lot after I bought an older XKeys device and programmed the shortcuts. I grew up on Umatic editing and most of that with RM440 and RM450 controllers, a well thought out controller makes life so much easier!
In theory, you are looking at about 15-20 hours of work if you sit down and concentrate on only this task. That's for the "basic" editing book, they have an "advanced" editing course listed but no book ready yet. The Fairlight book should be here in a few days, but I won't get into it for a while.
Some of the keyboard shortcuts are the same as Media Composer, many are not. I'll probably buy new stickers for my laptop to make life easier. Though I'm kind of thinking of getting an XKeys 68 jog/shuttle unless I can find one of the smallest Resolve panels cheap. I don't do a lot of editing every day/week, so having a well laid out control panel lets me get work done faster when I do have something to work on. My proficiency with Lightworks went up a lot after I bought an older XKeys device and programmed the shortcuts. I grew up on Umatic editing and most of that with RM440 and RM450 controllers, a well thought out controller makes life so much easier!
BrianMurphy
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Davince Resolve is now my main edit system, bought the BM Mini Monitor 4k and have been using the software for a bit and like it very much. Bought a large tablet and will integrate it into my workflow little by little. But the next purchase is the license and since I will be replacing my laptop in the near future I will probably go with a serial number rather than the dongle. But I have been keeping my eye out for a "used" solution. I know some guys get the software and license with a camera purchase and are PP or FCPX users and often sell them. With that in mind I headed off to Ebay to see if there were any since the ones on here are sold. Well it seems there are dozens of guys selling dongles, all of them I would imagine are counterfeit as I found out reading the BM Forum. Most are sold out of China however there is a guy in L.A. who is selling them and you can even buy on on Amazon. So for those who are not aware, be careful what you buy since it is not likely that $300. software can be had for $100 legitimately. There are also the stories of people who upgraded from a .1 to a .2 lets say and the dongle no longer worked. This would make their software cost $425. when they go legit.
I also wonder how in the hell Amazon can get away with allowing counterfeiters to sell their goods this way?
I also wonder how in the hell Amazon can get away with allowing counterfeiters to sell their goods this way?
doubledark
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Hi all
My aim is to start shooting sit down interviews with 4K (hybrid camera or BMPCC 4K) and would like to make informed hardware purchases so that editing is as smooth as possible.
Recordings are generally 30-45mins and I may have 2 of these on the go at any one time.
I have Thunderbolt-1 on my Mac atm.
My question is: what capacity drives, HDD/SSD? would you suggest I store
source files
cache files
media files
Thanks
My aim is to start shooting sit down interviews with 4K (hybrid camera or BMPCC 4K) and would like to make informed hardware purchases so that editing is as smooth as possible.
Recordings are generally 30-45mins and I may have 2 of these on the go at any one time.
I have Thunderbolt-1 on my Mac atm.
My question is: what capacity drives, HDD/SSD? would you suggest I store
source files
cache files
media files
Thanks
My dongle was around $180, I asked the seller how they got it and he said bundled with a couple of cameras, he also had a 14 day return. It's working on the latest version for me, looks like it has the correct font and color stripe.
But as mentioned, any seller that has a pile of them to sell is probably selling hacked dongles, especially if they see the guarantee working with new updates as they will provide support to help it work.
But as mentioned, any seller that has a pile of them to sell is probably selling hacked dongles, especially if they see the guarantee working with new updates as they will provide support to help it work.
Polaroid22
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Yeah also resolve here. The only thing I miss is warp stabilizer(which for me works much smoother, tried every setting there is, with other users, and even blackmagic support) and also there are a lot of great templates for AE that resolve/fusion does not have atm.
I haven't used the warp stablizer too much but one thing that's slowing down my workflow is custom keyboard shortcut keys not working after a few minutes. On the latest release (15.2.3) it's still a problem. Not sure if it's just affecting Windows users or Mac users too, but they don't work for me in Windows 10. Regardless of that, Resolve Studio does seem to perform better for me compared to Premiere in timeline playback etc. It would be nice to have more templates for Resolve, tons of stuff for After Effects that you can buy but I'm sure more stuff will be available as people adopt Resolve as their editing software.
I have 14 lite and it does seem a little buggy unless its pilot error but I would swear certain tools just stop working randomly and it doesnt seem to like you copying/pasting grades and node settings from one clip or node to another even though its got functionality specifically designed around doing that.
I've had the same thing happen several times while going through their intro book... I'm pretty sure it is a dumb-thumb mistake on my part putting the software into a mode that I'm not expecting.
That said, I haven't tried to map custom keys yet.
For those that want a cheat sheet of the keyboard commands, I found one here: http://logickeyboard.com/shortcut/RES152018.pdf
FYI, the BMD official training books are now going up on the BMD training website https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training for FREE in PDF form, or you can still buy printed versions or Kindle version on Amazon. The Kindle versions were trivial dollars anyway. And yes there is still the link to the exam at the back of the book, and as far as I know, the exam is still free as well.
This disrupts pretty much all the other training schemes out there, you can't even buy the Avid books anymore unless you know someone at an Avid Learning Partner (unless they have fixed this).
This disrupts pretty much all the other training schemes out there, you can't even buy the Avid books anymore unless you know someone at an Avid Learning Partner (unless they have fixed this).
Thanks, Greg. Very useful info.
So, after using this for a while to color grade only, and reading about all the things missing from the free version (face tool, noise reduction, any openfx filters, I find myself very tempted to just get the full version. It’s really not very expensive. BUT, I don’t really need it for the work I do, would be more useful for personal stuff that needs those extra touches, so of course saving money appeals to me. I see many here talking about “dongles.” This is the same as buying the studio version except for some reason you use a dongle instead of entering a license code? And you can save if you buy used, but be careful it’s not a fake? Is that about the gist of it? I mean, I would want a version that could be upgraded and everything, wouldn’t want to be stuck at 14 or 15. Thoughts?
Thanks. I looked it up right after I posted (a thing I regretably often do). The dongle allows you to move around to different machines with resolve on them, plug in and have the studio version. In addition dongles can be resold. The serial requires at least an occasional internet connection and to be mobile you have to deactivate it on one machine and reactivate it on another (though you can simultaneously have it on a laptop and desktop), if you work like that (I imagine I would never use it other than at home). Anyway that was all news to me.