Robbie Comeau
Como's back. back again
Man, this has nothing to do with it i just type fast hahaha
I am sorry.
I am sorry.
where to start?
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Robbie Comeau
Como's back. back again
IF i did go to college, wouldn't i find it easier to find "crew members" becasue they will be studying the same thing, if not similiar, and then i can join with them and make films
Joops
Active member
IF you want 2 more cents worth of advice. With the money that you'd earn and spend on school (not including loans), go out and get yourself a camera and some other equipment. Then go get on every indie-film project you can and do what ever they ask you too. One time you might be a boom operator, next time a PA, next a grip. But that's how you'll get experience and meet people. Then when it comes time to make your own film you call all those you helped out. That's the way we used to do it. And it works. They do teach you technical stuff in school. More so when you work with film cameras. But you will pick all that up with the more you shoot. There are plenty of books and dvds out there that you can watch to learn the basics. And one last thought. Watch movies. Lots of them. Go get a job a Blockbuster or a theater. Watch the ones you love AND the ones you hate. See how they do it. Watch a movie you never seen before with the sound completely off. If you can follow the story then the director did his job and you should study the film in detail. Okay - two cents done.
Robbie Comeau
Como's back. back again
Thanks Joops
DeSica
Well-known member
Dude, go to some kind of school.
Check out the Film Certificate Program at Ryerson. They trimmed it down a bit, and have a summer course that you can do in a few months. An admissions person turned me on to it when I was researching film schools. It is crazy competetive to get into those programs, and the certificate program is basically a pared down version of the B.A. you'd get in day school....just more practical and not too much history, plus no general courses, and other department stuff.
The benefit is that you'll have instructors that work in the biz, and some of your classmates will be people in the biz who want to learn various aspects of filmmaking. Your credits can even be applied to a degree later on, if you choose to go further in school.
You're young, so get some schooling under your belt. When I was your age, I was bored with regular university, so I never finished. Years later, I kicked myself because I was at York all that time, and I never thought seriously about film as a career...meanwhile, they had a decent film program right there under my nose. If I had done any knd of degree, I'd now be in a position to do a masters or PhD in film. I still plan on getting mopre education, so that if I can't make a living doing film, I can make one writing, talking about and teahing it.
Just because you're in school, doesn't mean you can't do stuff on your own, too. A classmate of mine worked at William White while doing the program, so he had access to all kinds of equipment and dudes who knew how to use it. He was always doing stuff with is buddies in his spare time. His final film was shot in HD using a camera he got from work...and that was 2002.
Check out the Film Certificate Program at Ryerson. They trimmed it down a bit, and have a summer course that you can do in a few months. An admissions person turned me on to it when I was researching film schools. It is crazy competetive to get into those programs, and the certificate program is basically a pared down version of the B.A. you'd get in day school....just more practical and not too much history, plus no general courses, and other department stuff.
The benefit is that you'll have instructors that work in the biz, and some of your classmates will be people in the biz who want to learn various aspects of filmmaking. Your credits can even be applied to a degree later on, if you choose to go further in school.
You're young, so get some schooling under your belt. When I was your age, I was bored with regular university, so I never finished. Years later, I kicked myself because I was at York all that time, and I never thought seriously about film as a career...meanwhile, they had a decent film program right there under my nose. If I had done any knd of degree, I'd now be in a position to do a masters or PhD in film. I still plan on getting mopre education, so that if I can't make a living doing film, I can make one writing, talking about and teahing it.
Just because you're in school, doesn't mean you can't do stuff on your own, too. A classmate of mine worked at William White while doing the program, so he had access to all kinds of equipment and dudes who knew how to use it. He was always doing stuff with is buddies in his spare time. His final film was shot in HD using a camera he got from work...and that was 2002.
Ki-Ki
Veteran
Sorry I havn't had time to read the last 2 comments, leaving in few moments. But to be honest with you i'm in college right now. Personally it's a grave mistake. Thats why im going now, get the 7:45 bus, and the only reaeon i'm there is because i get really cheap / free access to the camera equiptment. But there not even letting me take that out anymore so i may quit today.
You may find some crew members and easier etc, but where i am people join the media course because they either got chucked out of other courses or because they need something to do. Everywhere's different though.
I'm leaving college after the hallows fest [once i've used there cameras] then getting a job to get some of my own equiptment
Tom Marshall
Actor!!!!!!
To tell you the truth, everything you do has an impression on people. Even things you say (type) here. Slow down on the typing and use proper grammar and people here will take you more seriously (as you can tell by posts made by others in this thread). Acting as a professional at all times will take you far in this industry.
You're on the right path though. Keep making videos and working on your technique. What is it that you want to do, specifically? Do you want to be a director? Cinematographer? Working out the details and having a specific goal is something you should do.
With a lot of careers, you need an education. Anything artistic... you don't. You just have to be good at what you do. As others have mentioned, work on a great demo reel... the best you can put together. And network, network, network. That's a huge part of this business as well.
wallachiaproductions
Active member
Get a job mate. Then you will have money to hire all those poor film students to work on your own projects for very small fee's.
if youre going to spend 130,000 $ on school and you need to work a year, instead of working in WALMART, PA on EVERY film you can pound down craigslist, DVXuser, DVinfo, Creativecow... Etc....... apply for every single PA job, EVERY SINGLE one.... then try to work your way up to Assitant Director.... this way you will learn, the ropes, and get paid... and if you descide to go to film school, you will have knowledge already, and ahve seen how directors work and what that job really means. its really not what you think it is..... its 10% on set, 50% preproduction and 40% postproduction..... and a majority of that time is spent on the phone.... its actually kind of like an office job....
I mean im a DP, and i spend like 2 hours a day on the phone, discussion stuff with the director and Producers.... i thought my job ment never having to deal with "office like work" but it does...
I mean im a DP, and i spend like 2 hours a day on the phone, discussion stuff with the director and Producers.... i thought my job ment never having to deal with "office like work" but it does...
smpproductions
Well-known member
Speilberg didn't get his BA until maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Did he really even need it?
nho
Well-known member
I don't really mind not going to film school. It's just I think i'm going to have 100x harder time finding work or just getting into the business somehow. Everything I see on my local craigslist is well... here just look, http://madison.craigslist.org/tfr/ and http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/
smpproductions
Well-known member
search on other websites more specific to film, like creative cow, sologig & mandy. There are also plenty of website companies out there that need videographers/editors to create content for them and it doesn't matter where you live to do that type of stuff.
Robbie Comeau
Como's back. back again
On craigs list, since today is the 25th, are all the other dates like, not need able, meaning they dont need you. Do you just look at tthe date that is current, or can you do jobs that are like 2 weeks prior, are they still up and running?
Ki-Ki
Veteran
nho, i'm in the same position i guess. I started by making random fan trailers for movies, then showing them to mates on youtube. Got a few big hits. Couple of random filmmakers said hey nice work. Started chatting on msn now and again. Worked on a script for a couple of them. Few months later they introduced me to there mates. They wanted me to do some foundation shots abroad etc, started from there.
All from random youtubes videos. So i guess it goes to show be on guard. People can be anywhere and everywhere in terms of related to film. Like on the previous page. Keep profesional at all time. Yet again that rule sorta works against me. I'm a complete ass and some people like me, most hate me. But meh. I don't think there's much more i can say on this topic i've put more than my 2 cents in. Actually i'm skint it's more like 5 dollars.
Best of luck to both of you. =]
EDIT: Yeah didn't see you're message above me, oh well. It's still worth applying and dropping them a line. Even if the jobs to late and missed. They may keep tabs of you and like you're work for the future.
All from random youtubes videos. So i guess it goes to show be on guard. People can be anywhere and everywhere in terms of related to film. Like on the previous page. Keep profesional at all time. Yet again that rule sorta works against me. I'm a complete ass and some people like me, most hate me. But meh. I don't think there's much more i can say on this topic i've put more than my 2 cents in. Actually i'm skint it's more like 5 dollars.
Best of luck to both of you. =]
EDIT: Yeah didn't see you're message above me, oh well. It's still worth applying and dropping them a line. Even if the jobs to late and missed. They may keep tabs of you and like you're work for the future.
smpproductions
Well-known member
Craig's List goes by the day that you place your post up. It is not set up like a crew call listing. You can go back a few weeks and if you see something you like, email them. They may have already filled the spot but what's it gonna hurt? Companies that put posts up are suppose to take them down after they have filled them, but not all of them actually do.
Take the following as a "friendly" piece of advice. It's worth what you are paying for it.
Regardless of whether you decide to continue with your formal education (whether in film school, a more traditional liberal arts college, etc.), you really need to think about your "presence" and the image you "project" to the outside world.
I am a corporate attorney. I work with very successful people every day. Some of them are formally educated and others of them are not. But every last one of them projects an image of success and a desire to be taken seriously.
You seem like a nice guy. Having said that, it seems like every other day, someone is pointing out your egregious spelling, your almost ununderstandable use of grammar and sentence structure, etc. You are free to write those comments off as "I just type fast" or "you guys know what I mean" but you only get one shot at making a first impression.
Look around. Some of the folks on this board have gotten serious production deals just by participating in the activities offered here. My point is simply that, while you are thinking about what lies ahead for you, you might consider a little more carfeully the here, the now, and the impression you are making on members of this board.
Again, I am a relatively new member here. I probably know less about filmmaking than you do. My work isn't very good (thus far) and I'm not suggesting otherwise. But I'm pretty damn sure that I know what I'm talking about when I talk about professionalism, presence, and the image that one projects to the outside world.
I hope things work out for you.
Regardless of whether you decide to continue with your formal education (whether in film school, a more traditional liberal arts college, etc.), you really need to think about your "presence" and the image you "project" to the outside world.
I am a corporate attorney. I work with very successful people every day. Some of them are formally educated and others of them are not. But every last one of them projects an image of success and a desire to be taken seriously.
You seem like a nice guy. Having said that, it seems like every other day, someone is pointing out your egregious spelling, your almost ununderstandable use of grammar and sentence structure, etc. You are free to write those comments off as "I just type fast" or "you guys know what I mean" but you only get one shot at making a first impression.
Look around. Some of the folks on this board have gotten serious production deals just by participating in the activities offered here. My point is simply that, while you are thinking about what lies ahead for you, you might consider a little more carfeully the here, the now, and the impression you are making on members of this board.
Again, I am a relatively new member here. I probably know less about filmmaking than you do. My work isn't very good (thus far) and I'm not suggesting otherwise. But I'm pretty damn sure that I know what I'm talking about when I talk about professionalism, presence, and the image that one projects to the outside world.
I hope things work out for you.